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Profish2285 11-18-2007 07:43 PM

TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
Villain is a regular at these limits. He runs at 16/13/3.3 over a fairly large sample. I really dont think he has a flush as I cant think of any hands that he could possibly take this line with that would make a flush. The only hand that I can think of that beats me is AA here. I dont think he 3 bets my UTG raise with a suited connector.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($94.30)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($103.90)</font>
MP ($88.25)
Button ($53.80)
SB ($48.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $7.5</font>, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($14.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Turn: ($32.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $19</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $78.3 (All-In)</font>, Hero....

hockeyf 11-18-2007 07:59 PM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
You played it good, but this is a fold. I have no idea what he is playing but I fold this to a regular, i have a hard time thinking how would this with a worse Ax/diamond.

Profish2285 11-18-2007 08:02 PM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
Just so I can say this, if I cant put villain on a hand, I am calling. His line makes no sense to me at all. I dont like folding if I have no idea what he has because he is playing weird. Like I said, the only hand I can think of that is beating me is AA tbh. I am fairly confident he wont 3 bet light vs a utg raise especially since I run fairly tight. He also wont 3 bet a small pocket pair pf for the same reasons as the sc. My first thought when I saw this was that he had AK as well. The more I think about it, I guess he could do this with AQ with the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. If he has either of those hands then folding here is a gigantic mistake.

Profish2285 11-18-2007 09:10 PM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
shameless bump

TheBobn 11-19-2007 12:37 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
I tend to call in this spot, and more often that not i'm drawing to 9 outs with one card coming.

The fact that he RR you preflop without any callers in between(as a squeeze) makes his hand look more like a premium, which would lead me to believe he has either AK with no diamond or AAA trying to protect his hand.

I probably call, but I cry about it

corsakh 11-19-2007 12:48 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
You are deep. All your reasoning about what he can and what he can not have is out the window. He knows your hand yet he shoves. He does not think he has any FE here. I think its a fold.

Turn is a check btw. Only bet it if you are snap calling.

johnnybeef 11-19-2007 12:54 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
Folding this is pretty bad.

edit: sorry, i forgot the unl mods sucked. folding this is pretty bad unless you have a read that says "never raises turn or later without a flush or better." you are getting almost 2:1 and have a nut redraw. basically, against his range, this call may be a marginal mistake, but never a horrible one. conversely a fold could be a horrible mistake.

Berky 11-19-2007 12:57 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
Betting the turn is fine, i call a shove here.

Malifous 11-19-2007 03:06 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
Post results! I play it the same as above posters.

Profish2285 11-19-2007 08:03 AM

Re: TPTK 3 bet pot ~200 bb deep
 
FWIW I thought villains line made absolutely no sense as he is a reg and couldnt think of a hand that a reg would do this with. Any hand he had that beat me I thought he would bet into me. He couldnt expect me to have a hand like QQ/JJ and hope I would bet it for him. I ended up snap calling and he showed QQ with the Q of diamonds.


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