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flytrap 11-28-2007 06:01 PM

How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
At the casino I play at, if the flop betting isn't complete, but the dealer burns and turns early, the exposed card gets shuffled back in, but before they shuffle, they burn and turn, and the card that previously would have been the river, now becomes the turn. Players bet the turn, and now the exposed card gets shuffled back, and a new river is brought out. Essentially what happened was, I was heads up, and the dealer wasn't paying attention. I bet the flop, my opponent checkraised, and I pushed all-in. Before my opponent had the chance to call, the dealer burned and turned. After the floor was called, and my opponent was informed that the exposed card wouldn't be the turn unless it came out by chance, he decided to call. If the dealer had been paying attention, and doing their job, I win an $1800 pot. Because of their negligence, a new card came up, and my opponent sucked out. Since we were able to see both the old turn and river, I know 100% that I would have won without the dealer mistake. Yes, mistakes happen, and yes, it's possible that this mistake could benefit me. But it didn't. I've never been on the other side of this situation. Dealers have absolutely no accountability. If the casino accidentally subtracted $1800 from a dealer's paycheck, and gave it to someone else, then told the dealer, 'sorry, mistakes happen, nothing we can do' I bet that dealer would be outraged and demand justice. Well, I'm not getting that pot, so I'm thinking about withholding tips until the withheld money is around $1800. I play around 30 hours per week, and probably win 2 pots an hour. That works out to 30 weeks of not tipping. Maybe 25 since sometimes I tip more than a dollar. As a professional poker player, EVERY mistake I make costs me money. Dealers should be held to the same standard. Perhaps I'm being childish, but I'm owed 1800 and this is the only way I could think of to legally get it back. Thoughts?

JackInDaCrak 11-28-2007 06:03 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
rob the dealer in the parking lot for his 200 tips for 9 consecutive shifts

goofyballer 11-28-2007 06:05 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
Are you serious?

From an EV standpoint the dealer didn't cost you anything. When your opponent called your all-in he had no idea what either the turn and river were going to be (just that one specific card would not come on the turn but had the same chance of coming out on the river as every other card in the deck). Two random cards were put out on the turn and river and unfortunately you lost.

Would you still be making this thread if the original turn and river would have lost you the hand, but the newly-dealt river didn't?

Aces McGee 11-28-2007 06:06 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
What are you going to do 29 weeks from now when a dealer makes a mistake that results in you winning an $1,800 pot you would have otherwise lost? Tip the whole thing back?

-McGee

flytrap 11-28-2007 06:09 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
I don't care about EV, I'm talking about dealer accountability. In this poker room, tips are pooled, so motivation for the dealers to do well is lacking. Should they not be punished in some way for their ineptitude?

*TT* 11-28-2007 06:12 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Perhaps I'm being childish

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yes, i agree.

PS: This is the type of tip[ping thread which we wont allow. Your free to make your own decisions here, its not cool to ask B&m their opinion if you already decided not to tip.

AngusThermopyle 11-28-2007 06:14 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
[ QUOTE ]
. As a professional poker player,

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As a pro, you know it cuts both ways. If the mistake had gone the other way, would you decide to tip off the $1800 by tipping double for 25 weeks?

As a pro, you should be paying attention to the dealer. Stop him before he burns and turns.

As a professional poker player, I guess the [Enter] key is foreign to you.

that_pope 11-28-2007 06:16 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
This is childish, and are just trying to place blame for your loss. Yes the dealer made a mistake, but it made no difference at all in the situation, if you are a 'professional' as you claim. You'll be in that situation many times (not the mistakingly turned card) and have a chance at that expectation many times, and you should win it more than you should lose it...poker sounds like it isn't right for you.

psandman 11-28-2007 06:16 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't care about EV, I'm talking about dealer accountability. In this poker room, tips are pooled, so motivation for the dealers to do well is lacking. Should they not be punished in some way for their ineptitude?

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Exactly how many jobs out there are there where nobody makes a mistake. or where if you make a mistake your pay is docked.

Doctor amputates your left leg instead of removing your third nipple and his insurance pays the settlement and he keeps on doing operating. When was the last time you heard of an airline pilot having to reimburse everyone for an airplane crash?

This dealer made a mistake, which was as likely to help you as it was to hurt you and you want him to be paying yopu back because you ended up losing the hand?

Poshua 11-28-2007 06:41 PM

Re: How long do I withhold tips? Dealer mistake costs me $1800. (long)
 
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