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rand 11-02-2007 11:07 PM

8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
so i think i played pretty well today but i just got slammed by variance...

anyway i think this was by far the most interesting session i have played in a long time...im gonna list a bunch of hands with results:

i think i missed a few bets somewhere, made some marginal folds, didnt max value properly etc

there are alot of hands here and they are read-less bc that would just be a [censored] ton of work

anyway comment on whatever you like i think they are all pretty interesting though

also, i play about 25/21/5 and im pretty sure i have the craziest image of any of the FT regs


1.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $610.70
Hero (BTN): $1,423.40
SB: $1,139.30
BB: $446.60
UTG: $264.40

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $4, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $50</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $46, CO calls $38

Flop: ($156) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $111</font>, UTG calls $111, <font color="red">CO raises to $560.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds

Results: $489 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO showed K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Kings) and LOST (-$161 NET)

2.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $414.50
BTN: $461.85
SB: $577.55
Hero (BB): $396
UTG: $697.40

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls $10

Flop: ($28) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, SB calls $22

Turn: ($72) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60

River: ($192) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $160</font>, Hero calls $160

Results: $512 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Nines) and WON $509 (+$253 NET)
Hero mucked 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Nines) and LOST (-$256 NET)

3.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $757.50
CO: $141.70
BTN: $390.70
SB: $92.30
BB: $446.20
UTG: $440

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, 4 folds

Flop: ($34) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $27</font>, Hero calls $27

Turn: ($88) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $77</font>, Hero calls $77

River: ($242) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $111</font>, Hero folds

Results: $242 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG mucked and LOST (-$118 NET)

4.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $170
SB: $414.90
BB: $165.35
Hero (UTG): $562.20
CO: $437.30

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25

Turn: ($84) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $52</font>, Hero calls $52

River: ($188) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $120</font>, Hero calls $120

Results: $428 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Eights and Threes) and WON $425 (+$214 NET)
CO showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Threes) and LOST (-$211 NET)

5.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $637.50
BB: $400
UTG: $156
MP: $400
CO: $638.70
BTN: $609.20

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $10, BB folds

Flop: ($28) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($68) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($68) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $44</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $144</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $300</font>, Hero folds

Results: $356 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $353 (+$177 NET)

6.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $401.60
CO: $414
BTN: $471.30
Hero (SB): $807.70
BB: $260
UTG: $572.70

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $8, Hero calls $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($32) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $25, BTN calls $25

Turn: ($107) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $25</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $25

River: ($157) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $749.70 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $464.70 and is All-In

Results: $1,186.40 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Fours full of Aces) and WON $1,183.40 (+$610.70 NET)
UTG mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$572.70 NET)

7.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $410
Hero (UTG): $1,466.40
MP: $606.40
CO: $314.90
BTN: $155.60
SB: $166.10

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP calls $16, 4 folds

Flop: ($38) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $92</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $182</font>, MP calls $90

Turn: ($402) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $208.40</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $408.40 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $200

River: ($1,218.80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $1,218.80 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $1,215.80 (+$609.40 NET)
MP showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (King Nine high) and LOST (-$606.40 NET)

8.
12/9/4 is villain

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $432
CO: $100
BTN: $471.20
Hero (SB): $912.40
BB: $191
UTG: $82.50

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $51</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $133</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $432 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds

Results: $321 Pot
MP mucked and WON $321 (+$188 NET)

9.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $1,320.70
CO: $265
BTN: $394
SB: $178.50
BB: $200
UTG: $538

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, 4 folds

Flop: ($34) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $32</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $82</font>, UTG folds

Results: $98 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero mucked 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $95 (+$49 NET)

10.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $430.40
UTG: $766.40
MP: $208.80
CO: $392
BTN: $394
SB: $247

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($30) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, CO calls $22

River: ($74) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40

Results: $154 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Jacks) and WON $151 (+$75 NET)
CO showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$76 NET)

11.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $108.70
BB: $400
UTG: $164.90
MP: $561.10
Hero (CO): $652.20
BTN: $403.40

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $28</font>, Hero calls $28

Turn: ($90) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($90) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $68</font>, Hero calls $68

Results: $226 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Nines) and WON $223 (+$113 NET)
BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Ace King high) and LOST (-$110 NET)

for those wondering i made it all back before my KK lost to QQ for like 150bbs and then this giant fish who kept owning my value bets with bottom two pair set over set me for like 250BBs so i only made back about half of what i lost...

Novles 11-02-2007 11:10 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
How do you fold river in hand 3 getting those odds? Even a tight TAG that never 3 barrels has AJ sometimes, no?

rand 11-02-2007 11:15 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
[ QUOTE ]
How do you fold river in hand 3 getting those odds? Even a tight TAG that never 3 barrels has AJ sometimes, no?

[/ QUOTE ]

ha, i talked to a budy over aim about that fold, i think you guys are prolly right given the odds i think its a call

i folded it in the heat of the game mostly bc of timing and stuff...his bets were quick, i think hed at least pause with AJ-but who knows i am kind of a statoin

(it was weird bc i almost always 3bet that pre so he prolly doesnt think AQ AK is in my range...) --&gt;call again

ipokeder 11-02-2007 11:16 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
how the [censored] do you lose 20 buyins in one day

rand 11-02-2007 11:19 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
[ QUOTE ]
how the [censored] do you lose 20 buyins in one day

[/ QUOTE ]

this is worst i have every run in my life, and im not down 20buyins but i did "loose" 20 if that clears anything up

Pudge714 11-02-2007 11:21 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
AQ fold is bad.
4bet folding AK is bad.
Bet or c/r the river with AJ
I would bet the river with q9ss
What are you repping with TT river c/r?

ipokeder 11-02-2007 11:22 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
all of these are fine except for hands 5 and 10

10 c/r river or bet river, 5 call or fold

rand 11-02-2007 11:29 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
i agree with AQ

i like teh AK hand as played

i almost CR AJ but i didnt see any worse hands call (i think i should have lead it though)

i see the Q9 more as a bluff catcher, i don think worse calls a river CR

the TT hand was weird, i thought he cbet flop with overs and was balue betting the Kon the river...i was trying to rep a J on the river

rand 11-02-2007 11:31 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
[ QUOTE ]
all of these are fine except for hands 5 and 10

10 c/r river or bet river, 5 call or fold

[/ QUOTE ]

you dont fold 2 to the river bet? i thought i was kinda obvious what he had...i was just kinda pissed and did one of those im not folding trips things

KingGordy 11-02-2007 11:40 PM

Re: 8k hands, 8k swing at 2,4: double sessoin review WTF
 
Some of these are unanswerable without reads.

I'd usually call the river in hand 3.
Hand 4 is like a million percent read based, obviously this line as a default is extremely non-standard.

Hand 5, meh not horrible I guess, as he should fold Kx a bunch and it looks like he can't have a jack.

Hand 9 if CO is at all competent I fold the first time around, as he shouldn't really be 3 betting against a nits open UTG+1 all that light.

I'm like betting the river in hands 10 and 11 better than c/c.


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