billyjex wants his account back
 

Billyjex sent a very nice note under his new name (bigbabyjesus) asking for his billyjex account back.

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From: bigbabyjesus
Hello,

I'm writing you to request that my previous username, billyjex, be unbanned and allowed to post again. I would like to apologize for being a trolling ass to you on many occasions and saying some uncalled for remarks about your religion (and others.)

I know those don't belong in a public forum like this, and I obviously got punished for it. Truth be told, I would like my old name to be unbanned to begin posting in MSNL and SSNL under it to help support my coaching services at 3-bet.net. Billyjex is a known name, bigbabyjesus is not.

I can promise you I will not post one out of line thing again. 99% of my posting will be in MSNL and SSNL, and I'm over the whole "piss people off on the internet" stage. I don't follow these forums nearly as much as I used too, but would like to have the more popular namesake for when I respond to strategy posts.

Just to clarify as well, I'm not going to be "spamming" my services or anything. I would just simply like for other posters to see my name more so when they look for a coach they will actually recognize the name.

Thanks for you time,

Billy.

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his history is basically he was a prejudiced troll [censored] in bbv all the while being a "good" msnl strategy poster (sound familiar?), but I think he was following yves'/others from msnl' lead on being an [censored]/giving me a hard time in bbv.

Here are his notes:

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tempbanned for racist joke 02/19

requested self ban for a bit 3/7 - nation

'kill yourself' in bbv trhead...12 horu tempban. Then sent me a pm entitled 'hello hitler' telling me to 'calm the [censored] down'. Possible future [censored] disturber: take note. -3/16 -gw

tempban reset halfway through for posting under alternate account; he even had 'banned billyjex' in the location. Will drastically increase length if he does it again. -3/16 -gw

"so u floated complete [censored], then backdoored a flush, and decide to bet less than 1/2 pot (among other mistakes, though this one is the gayest and jewish of all)? WTF?" = 7 days - 5/24 adanthar

selfrequested ban for this comment:
"funny fact: please ban me because i hate jews and gays."

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I think this one is close (it has been quite a while since he was banned) but I am looking for input from other mods. (And "i partied with him on a boat he rox" doesn't really affect this decision). On the one hand, he was one of yves' lieutenants basically in terms of causing trouble; on the other hand, it's a pretty mature note and it's been a while.

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I think he's in the yves "I'm not actually racist, but I act like a tard on the Internet to get attention" group. that said I have no personal objection to unbanning him provided he's matured enough to be less dumb by now.

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I think he's in the yves "I'm not actually racist, but I act like a tard on the Internet to get attention" group. that said I have no personal objection to unbanning him provided he's matured enough to be less dumb by now.

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I doubt hes gonna cause any problems.

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I kinda hate these "I want my account back because I was a retard and didn't think that there's some value to my reputation that I shouldn't have screwed up by trolling" requests. These are adults we're dealing with, and they should suffer the consequences of being idiots.

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I doubt hes gonna cause any problems.

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G,

"being a trolling ass to you on many occasions and saying some uncalled for remarks about your religion (and others.)"

"I would like my old name to be unbanned to begin posting in MSNL and SSNL under it to help support my coaching services at 3-bet.net."

How many times is this going to get repeated?

Do all sorts of BS, get banned repeatedly.

Decide that having a certain username is worth some money to you.

Write a PM asking forgiveness.

Get the username reinstated.

And people wonder why 2+2 is full of all manner of offensive posting. One contributing reason is because well-known posters post that crap, get banned repeatedly, then get reinstated. If 2+2 doesn't want that kind of stuff on the site, it's simple. When people post that crap, ban them and give them a warning that if it happens again the account is dead. And don't ever reinstate accounts. If people want to start over and participate on the forums as a productive member of the community, that's their choice.

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I reluctantly agree that it looks like the days of forgiveness will have to be over.

Hopefully the escalating warning system of vb will make this transition easier.

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gild,

diablo basically nails this.

i'm in the "no" camp on this. he did stuff wrong, repeatedly. then he got his account killed. that's the consequences.

he's now made several hundred posts on a new account, possibly without having the same problems. good for him and all, but that's hardly a reason he should get his old account, and any financial bonuses that would get for him, for that.

with that said, i know mat wants a much more lenient stance than either i or diablo, and responds much better to the "i've matured give me another chance" group. with that in mind, perhaps a type of punishment should be reserved for these people who so value their old posts: give them the account back, after a significant away time, and if they mess up again, their post history is removed.

i'm hoping that with the new software something like this could be done without the posts actually being deleted (and making 2p2 itself lose value). perhaps something where all the posts of the offender are switched to anonymous, but not deleted?

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cit,

"i'm hoping that with the new software something like this could be done without the posts actually being deleted"

I'm fairly certain one of the features of vB is that an admin (maybe a mod too, dunno) can turn a user's posts to invisible so only THEY can see them. Pretty slick, and that way you don't have to delete them.

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posts of the offender are switched to anonymous, but not deleted?


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We have that option now. I'm sure vb does as well.

Right now I'm not interested in forgiving anyone. I say absolutely no to requests like these for awhile.

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tuq,

while that is good, it would also be nice if there were a way to make it so that they are converted to anon or something so that 2p2 can retain the posts, but not have to attribute them to the author.

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I reluctantly agree that it looks like the days of forgiveness will have to be over.


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But Degen's getting another chance?

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hi degen,

as you know all of your accounts have been entirely deleted. we agreed not to discuss this until vb is implemented.

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Mat,

Sorry. Nice talking to you on the phone last night.

-Bill

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cit,

cit: "so that 2p2 can retain the posts, but not have to attribute them to the author."

2+2 T&C: "All other trademarks and copyrights appearing on the 2+2 website are owned by their respective companies. Copyrights to all posts on the 2+2 website are owned by the authors of the posts, and not by 2+2 or ConJelCo. If you want to reproduce a 2+2 website post in a publication or on another web site, please get permission from the author of the post.

You agree that upon posting any material within a forum on the 2+2 website you grant 2+2 and its successors and assigns, a non-exclusive worldwide, royalty free, perpetual, non-revocable license under your copyrights or other intellectual property rights, if any, in such material to distribute, display, and reproduce such material to other readers of that forum."

I guess, based on the second paragraph, that would OK. But to redistribute the content attributed to none/anon seems somewhat sleazy and not in line with the general attitude 2+2 takes regarding copyright/ownership related issues.

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Mat,

Sorry. Nice talking to you on the phone last night.

-Bill

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WTF?

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Mat,

Sorry. Nice talking to you on the phone last night.

-Bill

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WTF?

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i'm assuming it's a joke, z

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I'm gonna guess when mia made that joke (again) that he didn't think anyone would actually fall for it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I am in the 'too many chances already corner' on this one. I also think that rather than true remorse he is financially motivated to apologize. I think his true agenda lies in this statement:

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I would just simply like for other posters to see my name more so when they look for a coach they will actually recognize the name.

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JMHO

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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i thought billyjex was a very good poster way back when, but then again i never saw any of the posts he was banned for

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I reluctantly agree that it looks like the days of forgiveness will have to be over.

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I think we should be doing this on case by case basis

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I agree, but I'm leaning in the less forgiving direction these days. Especially the next four days.

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agree with mat's decision here, people don't get to come crawling back when they realize there is financial incentive to not being a cocksmear on the forums. i have no problem with billyjex personally and really don't remember much about him, just a general opinion.

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ok, I told him he couldn't have his account back as per Mat's decision.

It would be ridiculous though if we let degen back though after this decision.

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if degen gets his account back i will be sorely tempted to send shemale hookers and male strippers to the twoplustwo office every day for a month.

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if degen gets his account back i will be sorely tempted to send shemale hookers and male strippers to the twoplustwo office every day for a month.

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i'll chip in

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There is no degen account to "get back". It's completely deleted. I want to make that part clear. And obviously, if he made a new account and didn't out himself, we couldn't stop that.

Just to clarify, you guys are vehemently objecting to degen being allowed to post with a brand new account even as a test? And even though (possibly stupidly) I gave him my word that I would allow him 3 days to see if you guys would change your minds?

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Just to clarify, you guys are vehemently objecting to degen being allowed to post with a brand new account even as a test? And even though (possibly stupidly) I gave him my word that I would allow him 3 days to see if you guys would change your minds?

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I am vehemently objecting to this as well.

I love giving people second chances. Hell, POG welcomes BobOjedaFan with open arms, one of the most hated posters on almost every other forum.

I would much, much, much rather see billyjex back who was a great strategy poster in his time (despite the things he was banned for), than see degen back.

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Mat,

Whether you call it getting his account back or a fresh start is essentially arguing semantics. Sure he loses his name but nobody is arguing that he shouldn't get that, we are arguing that he shouldn't be allowed back in any form.

I think telling him you would give him another chance was a serious error in judgment and a bit of an insult to the mods. Of those feeling strongly enough to give an opinion, every single mod has said that they do not think he should be allowed to come back. The only debate on the issue is tuq saying he doesn't really know and could degen really be so bad and responses of yes.

You are telling us through your actions that you don't care much at all about our opinions on such matters. Even if you have some information we don't, I would have thought that if you valued our opinions then you would at least see if any mod supported your idea of giving him a second chance before giving him your word.

Gambling references are annoying but I think giving him another chance is chasing bad money with good.

Jared

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i told him that on the phone before consulting you guys. most of the opinions came after.

so i'll admit to error, but not " that you don't care much at all about our opinions "

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Just to clarify, you guys are vehemently objecting to degen being allowed to post with a brand new account even as a test? And even though (possibly stupidly) I gave him my word that I would allow him 3 days to see if you guys would change your minds?

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yes, i am vehemently against this. degen is ban-on-sight and it's well deserved, the day anyone from 2p2 knowingly allows him to post is the day i start posting horse porn inline.

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I kinda hate these "I want my account back because I was a retard and didn't think that there's some value to my reputation that I shouldn't have screwed up by trolling" requests. These are adults we're dealing with, and they should suffer the consequences of being idiots.

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Given that you are still a mod on this site despite the shameless flaunting of your own personal idiocy, I find it rather ironic that this is your point of view.

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I kinda hate these "I want my account back because I was a retard and didn't think that there's some value to my reputation that I shouldn't have screwed up by trolling" requests. These are adults we're dealing with, and they should suffer the consequences of being idiots.

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Given that you are still a mod on this site despite the shameless flaunting of your own personal idiocy, I find it rather ironic that this is your point of view.

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YOU MAD DOGGY, YOU MAD!!

(for the unaware, xorbie is upset that I was a vile evil monster in the SE thread about Sean Taylor, which mostly means that xorbie doesn't understand what was going on in that thread)

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YOU MAD DOGGY, YOU MAD!!

(for the unaware, xorbie is upset that I was a vile evil monster in the SE thread about Sean Taylor, which mostly means that xorbie doesn't understand what was going on in that thread)

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This is just one of the many examples, albeit a very good one. That you choose to blame this on my misunderstanding (the same one every other person posting in that thread, perhaps bar one or two, seemed to have made) speaks volumes.

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xorbie,

"Given that you are still a mod on this site despite the shameless flaunting of your own personal idiocy, I find it rather ironic that this is your point of view."

Dunno what that's about (haven't checked out the thread Dibs mentioned), but I like your style.

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xorbie: Checked out a thread.

Dibs: Wow, I got your point, but that sure was a POS thing to post in that thread.

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dunno why ppl flipped at dids in that thread. Sure its insensitive but so are alot of things. hell, ppl were going out for halloween as steve irwin last year, did you guys who bitched (xorbie) run up to each one of them and tell them how disgusted you are?

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dunno why ppl flipped at dids in that thread. Sure its insensitive but so are alot of things. hell, ppl were going out for halloween as steve irwin last year, did you guys who bitched (xorbie) run up to each one of them and tell them how disgusted you are?

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I'm not disgusted by dids's posts. I don't even particularly care, I'm not one to really be all that moved by most celebrity deaths. He did, however, act like a complete asshat in a thread in which people were otherwise respectful, displaying his idiocy by insulting everyone else in a pathetic attempt at justifying his earlier lack of tact.

Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, it's just sort of strange to want to have him representing your forum when there appear to be many other willing candidates for modship (although they may not want to mod his particular forum, which is understandable).

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That thread was a perfect storm: some people not liking Dids + him making that statement + tragic event + people getting a chance to get on their high horse and act self-righteous at him = thread derailment. I totally understood the point he was making with his initial comment. Sure, it wasn't necessary. The problem was that *he* did it so everybody piled on, and then he felt the need to defend himself, and they called him more names, rinse, repeat. It would have been best if he let well enough alone after that first post.

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note: I only read his initial post and one or two haters, then stopped before I got to didsees reponse. Ill take it from you guys it went downhill from there.