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LearnedfromTV 07-18-2007 11:43 PM

Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
Relevant stacks: SB $2900, I cover by a couple hundred. No read other than that he seems mediocre.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Blinds 25/50

UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop ($200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($600) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $600</font>, SB calls.

River ($1800) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $300</font>,

He has 1800 left. Folding seems disgusting, yet I'm very likely beat. Just call or bluff shove?

djk123 07-18-2007 11:52 PM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
Bluffing the naked A in Omaha is so fun. Not sure if this is the best guy to do it against, but that bet is just so weak, and I don't think we have a whole lotta showdown value

nath 07-19-2007 12:59 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
bluff shove

Cornell Fiji 07-19-2007 02:11 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
Yea, I bluff shove too because he seems mediocre and this might actually be an attempt at a blocking bet and not an inducement.

He is folding anything that he was truly blocking with (QT/babyflush/poorly played set) at least 70-80% of the time. His hand looks a lot like a poorly played TJQx to me (assuming a lowish buyin)

LearnedfromTV 07-19-2007 02:42 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
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$109

MLG 07-19-2007 09:02 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
bluff shoving in online omaha tournies is a bad bad idea IME. Generally speaking (and maybe its changed I havent played a non ftops/wcoop plo tourney in a while) but there are just so so so many hold 'em players who have no idea how to properly value a hand, and will make the classic bad play of bet calling. I mean think about it, there's very few draw a good player should have anyway after the turn, i mean maybe like AQT9cc or something.

meh i fold i think no matter how gross it feels.

djk123 07-19-2007 09:11 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
The more I think about the more I like a shove on this river against a bad player rather than a good player. I mean isn't a good player only doing this to induce a bluff? It's just too obvious of a blocking bet.

registrar 07-19-2007 09:17 AM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
I like a bluff shove here. He's rivered a straight and I think he'll fold it often enough if you have a reasonable image.

Cornell Fiji 08-01-2007 02:46 PM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
bump

dogsballs 08-01-2007 03:48 PM

Re: Weird PLO river spot w/ two pair + naked ace.
 
Shove. Smells like has to be a TJQK type hand, esp since you have the Ac. Less likely to be a set. He'd havta be pretty bad to draw to the non-nut flush without also a wrap. Would help immensely to know how likely he might pay off w the 2nd or 3rd nut flush. \Eh, push anyway.


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