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aislephive 11-24-2007 10:57 PM

I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
Villain is 50/15 and pretty bad. Earlier he weaklead a small fd into me, called my raise and checked the turn when he hit and made a small blocking bet on the river when a four flush hit. I was bluffing the whole way but caught a crappy pair on the river and made an info-call I suppose, but he knows now I can bluff. Don't have much of a read on him in general, seems like your standard moron who plays half his hands. Other guy is donkish at 30/20 and bought in short, I'm pretty much positive I have him beat. The board is really drawy though so I didn't like calling with TPGK multiway on this board, so I raised.

I know blah blah I should have a plan for this etc but I didn't think this villain was shoving that often and would definitely call with worse, and might shove worse as well.

So yeah, now I'm pretty confused and don't know what to do. Help plz kthx.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $348.90
Hero (BB): $400
UTG: $433.90
CO: $466.76
BTN: $231

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, SB folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($44) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $24</font>, BTN calls $24, <font color="red">Hero raises to $94</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $380</font>, BTN folds, Hero ???

mendacity 11-24-2007 11:10 PM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
This is a great spot for you to call, if he's observant he's now playing back a you with all his draws and worse Kings.

Be more specific with what you're looking for.

Mossberg 11-24-2007 11:53 PM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
Don't raise the flop if you aren't ready to stack off imo. I'd probably just call it the first time because I'm not happy to get it in if he 3bets, and also your hand can improve in many ways on the turn.

cbboy 11-24-2007 11:57 PM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
Meh! I think I like the flop raise. Your right, calling does sorta suck there... I think I call his shove especially if hes shown any sorta aggression or tendency to bluff in the past.

schwza 11-25-2007 12:15 AM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
i'm really not very happy about anything that's happening here but i think you played it right and you should call the push. you're getting better than 2:1 and there's too much chance that villain is doing something stupid to fold now.

thejerkface 11-25-2007 12:30 AM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
I call here. KQ is pretty much the nuts against a 50/15.

jlocdog 11-25-2007 01:19 AM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
This is a good time to donk and 3bet if necessary vs. these guys.

If you choose to check with the intention of raising, abandoning it and waiting for a safe turn is fine since BTN came along or else make your c/r bigger so you don't find yourself in as thin a spot as this. Your c/r should be more like $125 with the intention of rock n rollin.

quickfetus 11-25-2007 04:47 AM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
Vs. a "standard moron who plays half his hands" I snapcall this. I also like the flop c/r.

jfish 11-25-2007 11:03 AM

Re: I raised because calling sucks .. grrr
 
you have to call now and the raise is pretty good too. another thing you can do vs players like this is c/c flop and donk a fair amount of turns. this slows down how big the pot can be, and vs players like this you really dont have to worry about counter-exploitability, though nobody exploits stuff like that anyway.


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