Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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Chuck Cecil could lay a hit on opponents, too. Too bad both he and Bigby wait until the receiver catches a 15-20 yard pass before they tackle him.

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I have agreed with everything you have said in this thread so far, and I love that there are other Packer fans on here, but please never use Chuck Cecil's name in vain ever again.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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Chuck Cecil could lay a hit on opponents, too. Too bad both he and Bigby wait until the receiver catches a 15-20 yard pass before they tackle him.

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I have agreed with everything you have said in this thread so far, and I love that there are other Packer fans on here, but please never use Chuck Cecil's name in vain ever again.

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Oh, I loved it when he would use his body as a human torpedo and how he would purposely cut the bridge of his nose to start a nice bleed, but he really wasn't very good. It was easier to tolerate back then because most of the Packers weren't very good. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

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The problem with that is that the stats for defensive backs that are publicly available are pretty bad. Tackles for instance. Say you have two safeties, Player A and Player B. Player A is terrible in coverage and gets picked on quite a lot. He allows quite a few completions but generally tackles the receiver after he makes the catch. Player B, however, is much better at breaking up passes and teams do not target him often. Which player is better and who will have more tackles?

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

Looks like the Cowboys hired the Colts' Refs to officiate this game.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

Whatever, man. Bigby is first among DB's (not just SS's) in total tackles, fourth in solo tackles, fifth in tackle assists, and third in forced fumbles. Yeah he makes some mistakes, but if he is seriously one of the worst players you've ever seen, you're crazy. Do you even remember who Bigby replaced?

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I won't compare him to Carroll, because they play different positions, but Bigby is just about as bad at safety as Carroll was a cornerback.

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No, and it's not even close.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

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The problem with that is that the stats for defensive backs that are publicly available are pretty bad. Tackles for instance. Say you have two safeties, Player A and Player B. Player A is terrible in coverage and gets picked on quite a lot. He allows quite a few completions but generally tackles the receiver after he makes the catch. Player B, however, is much better at breaking up passes and teams do not target him often. Which player is better and who will have more tackles?

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On the flip side, a player who sucks would probably not be leading DB's in tackles or tied for second among SS's in turnovers. I'm not saying the guy is god's gift to the safety position, but people who call a guy who's practically a rookie "one of the worst players they've ever seen" or compare him to a CB who sucked so much he's not playing after only 3 seasons are [censored] up in the head.

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Looks like the Cowboys hired the Colts' Refs to officiate this game.

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Do you ever shut up about that?

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

He isn't leading the league in tackles. Gibril Wilson and Michael Lewis are ahead of him, neither of whom are all that good. My point was that tackles aren't a very good stat to judge safeties by. Safeties have to do much more than just tackle well. I don't know much about Bigby so I'm not really saying he is awful or anything, just that a sizable tackle total doesn't necessarily mean he is good.

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Looks like the Cowboys hired the Colts' Refs to officiate this game.

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Do you ever shut up about that?

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as soon as the biased officiating stops... then ill stop.

Until then, Please feel free to PM me if you ever see the Colts have a bad call against them. Not a "non call" but a bad penalty call on them that directly benefits the other team

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I've watched every Packer game this year, and Bigby is one of the players that has definately stood out as a weakness in the Packers defense. He is a good hitter and good at stopping the run. His problem is he gets burned way way too often. The Washinton game was a prime example. He also commits more than his share of penalties, and they always come at the worst times.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

not sure if this got posted or not

but

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/199...ckers07tr2.gif

pretty sick jump by Ware, so sick the zebras couldn't comprehend it

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Actually, didn't he get flagged for offsides on that, or was that a different play?

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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Actually, didn't he get flagged for offsides on that, or was that a different play?

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Yes, but upon 2nd look it appears that he was not offsides.

Re: *****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*
 

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He isn't leading the league in tackles. Gibril Wilson and Michael Lewis are ahead of him, neither of whom are all that good. My point was that tackles aren't a very good stat to judge safeties by. Safeties have to do much more than just tackle well. I don't know much about Bigby so I'm not really saying he is awful or anything, just that a sizable tackle total doesn't necessarily mean he is good.

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I'm not saying Bigby is good because he has a lot of tackles. Trust me, I understand why you can't use that as your sole measuring stick. And I haven't been doing that either. He has an interception in the first Viking game that sealed the win for us. He has several forced fumbles, one of them being on Portis in the Skins game that was recovered by Hawk after Bigby hit him for a 3 yard loss. Yes, he gets beat on some plays. I understand that he's not Bob Sanders, but for a guy who's still pretty new, I don't think he's doing as bad as some people do. He's got a long way to go yet.

And Bigby IS leading the defensive backs in total tackles right now with 77. Wilson has 76 and Lewis has 75.

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And Bigby IS leading the defensive backs in total tackles right now with 77. Wilson has 76 and Lewis has 75.

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Not that it matters, but that's in one extra game.

Regardless, he's still really bad. Instead of starting him and Bush last night, McCarthy should have just inserted a string bikini and a comb-over into the starting defensive backfield, as they would have provided better coverage.