John Kyl \"addresses\" online gaming
 

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There is only one interesting point to this drival by Kyl: at the end of the statement he writes:

"And finally, if poker gambling enthusiasts truly believe it is a “game of skill,” they can gain an “exemption” by proving that to a court. Under most definitions of “gambling” in state laws, games of skill are not “gambling” even if there is an entry fee and a prize to be won. While poker, like other card games, involves an element of skill, the hands that win or lose are a result of chance – “the luck of the draw.” If enthusiasts could prove otherwise to the satisfaction of a court, then they would not be subject to online gambling restrictions."

Those of you familiar with my posts know I have spent a lot of time effort and thought DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE CHALLENGES US TO DO! See:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=2&vc=1

which I am bumping.

Skallagrim

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wow. ty mr. kyl, you have opened my eyes to the worrisome rise of the gambling trend by stating that "Risk survey". Coupled with your definitions and explanation of the numbers, which were non-existent, i am now convinced.

i am a problem youth gambler.

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And... this is about the time where Sklansky and Co. intellectually tear Sen. Kyl to pieces. Poor sucker, shouldn't have given us an opening.

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I don't know about everywhere, but in the states that I've researched, all games involving "cards" are considered gambling.

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Look up the legal status of the game of bridge, ekdikeo ...

In California, at least, it was held to be a game of skill by a Court of Appeals. And that was regular bridge, not duplicate. See: In re Allen, 59 Cal.2d 5, 377 P.2d 280 (1961).

Hmm...what if stars and ftp had a few for-money bridge tables too, how could the feds or the banks ever know which of the 2 games you were playing...?

Skallagrim

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Look up the legal status of the game of bridge, ekdikeo ...

In California, at least, it was held to be a game of skill by a Court of Appeals. And that was regular bridge, not duplicate. See: In re Allen, 59 Cal.2d 5, 377 P.2d 280 (1961).

Hmm...what if stars and ftp had a few for-money bridge tables too, how could the feds or the banks ever know which of the 2 games you were playing...?

Skallagrim

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That's like saying you can buy a bag of herbs from a drug dealer if that dealer sells both oregano and weed. The police can't know!

that will never fly... it's a very weak loophole

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While poker, like other card games, involves an element of skill, the hands that win or lose are a result of chance – “the luck of the draw.”

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Yeah, but what if I win 20 BBs on the hands that I win as a result of "luck of the draw" and lose only 1 BB on the ones that I don't?

What an ignoramus.

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You just are not devious enough Karak567, and you understimate me (where do you play poker by the way? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ).

If your dealer sells both oregano and weed and the only thing the police can prove is that you went to his house and came out with a baggie containing a green material, I guarantee you even a half-witted lawyer will get you acquitted.

Think ftp or stars would tell the cops which game you played?

Skallagrim

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While yes, "luck of the draw" is a reality, what makes poker a "skill" game is the ability to make decisions AFTER the draw.

Fold, raise, check, etc;.