so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

i wasn't going to post this because i thought it's a pretty standerd hand, but then i read spiveys post in another topic and i thought i'd check up (villain is more weaktight than TAG though)

I think the idea of 'never fold an overpair to a TAG in a reraised pot' is pretty much always good (at least with an image of ~21/18/4 like mine is).

I run 24/20/3.2, villain is 20/13/2 after 800 hands, 26% WTSD. I haven't got a note on him which means he plays exactly like his stats suggest - weaktight.

6 handed 200nl 6max, 210$ eff

MP openlimps
CO calls
SB raises to 11$
I 3bet Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to 30$ in the BB
limpers fold, SB calls

Flop (65$) is J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

He checks, I check behind.

I don't see what worse hands call a bet. Given preflop he never has AJ IMHO, so a bet would basicly be only to protect vs AK.

Turn (65$)is 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

He bets 40$, I call.

I showed weakness so call here seems standard. I see no value in raising.

River (145$) is 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets 150$, I need to call 140$ to win 285$ and fold.

Ok so 2 less combos of TT. Sweet. But I still don't see him bluffing enough with AK AQ (and both should be discounted bc of preflop call OOP) here.

Thoughts?

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

River fold seems good as played.

Your preflop raise is too small.

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

what size should my 3bet be?

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

pop him for 40~50

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

why? what worse hands are calling?

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

I like your 3b size, you have position so we dont need to scare him off. People play alot looser in 3b pots too so id be tempted to call river, also because your hand looks so much like AK from villain's perspective. But as you said, his stats make it a pretty easy river fold. Unless he's on tilt... hmmm...

I like how you played it tho

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

I would 3 bet to $44 for a variety of reasons.

The main thing though is that with your little raise you allow him to profitably call with too wide a range that will make postflop difficult.

The other thing is that if he is bad then you want to charge him as much as possible. (In other words he may call the big bet with almost as wide of a range as the small bet but with the bigger raise you are giving yourself an advantage by making effective stacks shorter for postflop play)

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

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I would 3 bet to $44 for a variety of reasons.

The main thing though is that with your little raise you allow him to profitably call with too wide a range that will make postflop difficult.

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pocket pairs can't call profitably (he's not stacking my range 100% when he hits a set), neither can suited connectors. A lot of my range is AA AK AQs here so Ax can't call profitably. What hands can call 10% off their stack OOP and show a profit?

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The other thing is that if he is bad then you want to charge him as much as possible. (In other words he may call the big bet with almost as wide of a range as the small bet but with the bigger raise you are giving yourself an advantage by making effective stacks shorter for postflop play)

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that's true, but villain isn't bad he's weaktight. he might fold TT-JJ to a bigger raise and *then* we have a problem postflop. Making effective stacks shorter for postflop play is not a good thing when KK+ is a big part of his callrange.

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A lot of my range is AA AK AQs here

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If this is "alot of your range" then plenty of hands can call 10% of their stack and show a profit.

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

Alot of paint has 8+ outs against you, and makes up a healthy chunk of his range. I'm not giving a free card in a pot that's already 1/3rd a buyin. I bet the flop and take it from there.