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CalledDownLight 09-28-2007 05:29 PM

Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
All I know about villain is that he has limp called mid pairs a few times. He has taken the hands he's raised preflop down on the flop with cbets the few times I've seen him raise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($149.20)
Hero ($49.55)
SB ($48.70)
BB ($55.55)
UTG ($29.95)
UTG+1 ($36.70)
MP1 ($9)
MP2 ($57.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $50.7</font>, Hero ???

Mike Kelley 09-28-2007 05:31 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
Wow, I probably put him on a flush draw or a smaller pp not a set here and snap call.

GiantBuddha 09-28-2007 05:47 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
I see AA/KK played this way a lot. But it could certainly be something like A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I don't see him having anything you're ahead of often at all.

AlexB182 09-28-2007 05:50 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
Don't you think AA or KK would ve 4bet PF, Buddha?
I'd say this AKs often and QQ or TT very often. More often QQ than TT though...

GiantBuddha 09-28-2007 05:57 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
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Don't you think AA or KK would ve 4bet PF, Buddha?

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Well, yeah, and that's how I got stacked. But I've seen this raise/flat call preflop, crai flop w/QQ+ a bunch on NL50 stars. It might get more value from a lot of players than straight 4-betting, but it's certainly not without its risks. Namely, the other guy flopping a set and stacking you, or flopping your own set of Aces and then having the overcard to their pair kill your action.

coordi 09-28-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
KK/QQ wouldnt 4 bet this, unless people just play their premiums super slow against me

Fiasco 09-28-2007 06:14 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
[ QUOTE ]
I see AA/KK played this way a lot. But it could certainly be something like A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I don't see him having anything you're ahead of often at all.

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I agree. I see a lot of people playing QQ+ this way rather than 4 betting.

I say this is a fold.

wikemang 09-28-2007 10:17 PM

Re: Easy? JJ in 3bet pot hand (NL50)
 
Fold, his overbet shoving range has us crushed.


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