Fun flop decision.
 

<font color="blue">The table is interesting. UTG is a complete imbecile: over a bit more than 400 hands, he's running 51/9 preflop and 1.7 postflop. He's also losing money at about $1 per hand, so he's not exactly doing a great job of it. The rest of the table is made up of decently good players with TAG or sLAG stats, and all of us are gunning for the guy on my right. Of course, I've got the best position in the house....

I sat down at the table fifteen minutes ago. I've gotten involved in very few hands. I've been caught stealing once in a blind-vs-blind situation but I only lost a little cash in the process. I haven't been involved in any serious shakeups yet.</font>

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $115.10
BB: $135.50
UTG: $104.65
Pokey (MP): $104.45
CO: $105.50
BTN: $104.40

Preflop: Pokey is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, Pokey calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, 3 folds

<font color="blue">People aren't really reraising much on this table, and I've got great implied odds if I hit. I'll dump it to a three-bet if it comes, but sometimes you've got to gamble to win, right?</font>

Flop: ($7.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Pokey bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $17.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $102.65</font>, Pokey has a decision to make.

<font color="blue">The preflop raiser checks, so I make a smallish bet to try and build a pot and disguise my hand for if-and-when I hit. CO (a decent TAG who runs 18/13 preflop and has a postflop aggression of nearly 5) makes a nearly pot-sized reraise to $17. UTG now wakes up and check-REraises all-in. It's almost $100 to me, the pot has almost $130 in it, I'm all-in if I call, and there's still a player to act behind me who also has me covered. Fun, fun!

So, what say you: is calling +EV, -EV, or about even?</font>

Re: Fun flop decision.
 

I raise over the min-raise preflop.

call.

Re: Fun flop decision.
 

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I raise over the min-raise preflop.


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Yeah, but you also reraise A9o in the big blind after CO raises, button calls, and SB calls, so I tend to think that your preflop reraising strategy is a bit lighter than mine. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Fun flop decision.
 

stove anyone? worst case, we're up against a set. I stick it in here with the two draws. OverP? 2P? I love this hand.

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I raise over the min-raise preflop.

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why? i doubt we have any fold equity against a 51/9, we have position, and we don't mind playing a multi-way pot w/our hand.

as as for the hand, i did a quick poker stove.
-hand 1 is UTG, hand 2 is CO.
-i entered hands for the CO which he might call a shove with. in reality, i think his calling range is narrower than the one I gave

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.188% 42.06% 03.12% 276523 20533.33 { Ad7d }
Hand 1: 13.927% 13.43% 00.50% 88268 3285.33 { TT+, KdQd }
Hand 2: 40.885% 37.76% 03.12% 248241 20533.33 { 77-44, 9d8d, 87s, 76s, 64s+, 54s }

so basically we have good equity against UTGs range, but it's closer against COs range because sets are more likely, as a 7s (being part of several combo draws in which case we're playing for 1/2 the pot.

like i said, i did this real quick, it's not perfect.

Re: Fun flop decision.
 

pf is fine, I don't want to bloat the pot too much, don't think it's worth the isolation (the only reason behind raising)

callings def +EV, so that's what i do. Bet more on the flop for value.

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Assuming 99+, KQd for UTG, I don't care what CO has. Even if he has a set, with all the "dead" money in there that belongs to UTG, I'm calling this all day, everyday. Simply too many outs to not call, imo.

Re: Fun flop decision.
 

gambol?

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I'd probably bet more on the flop, and I turbo call after UTG shoves. You win either way -- either all-in in a 3way pot with the NFD and an OESD where you are getting the right pot odds even against a range of 44-66,87 for both players, or CO folds and you get all-in with plenty of equity vs. UTG's much wider range.