Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

Tmay is pretty aggro, but not crazy, and i doubt hes opening to light UTG with his stack, he prolly views me as aggro and decent.

So 3bet/call?
Flat?
Fold? (i hope not!)

asked two very respected donkamenters and they said 2 different things.
PokerStars Game #13369490806: Tournament #67347581, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2007/11/20 - 22:53:14 (ET)
Table '67347581 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: LukeFromB13 (68821 in chips)
Seat 2: Macknot (17710 in chips)
Seat 3: BrooDogg (25132 in chips)
Seat 4: pbdrunks (62525 in chips)
Seat 5: charder30 (67878 in chips)
Seat 6: varuni (24639 in chips)
Seat 7: 12443267 (26871 in chips)
Seat 8: Tmay420 (24000 in chips)
Seat 9: DermSperm521 (45510 in chips)
LukeFromB13: posts the ante 100
Macknot: posts the ante 100
BrooDogg: posts the ante 100
pbdrunks: posts the ante 100
charder30: posts the ante 100
varuni: posts the ante 100
12443267: posts the ante 100
Tmay420: posts the ante 100
DermSperm521: posts the ante 100
varuni: posts small blind 500
12443267: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to charder30 [Th Tc]
Tmay420: raises 2000 to 3000
DermSperm521: folds
LukeFromB13: folds
Macknot: folds
BrooDogg: folds
pbdrunks: folds
charder30:....?

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

I think i flat. I know i do if he has like 30 BB's.

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

OOPS MISREAD HAND!


Anyway depends on his opening range, but probably very close. If he's opening at or looser than: 77+,ATs+,AJo+,KQs, pushing will probably be +CeV. I dunno I'd say he opens looser. In my original response I misread stack sizes, thought we about 18000 effective in which case its a completely obvious allin. Its still probably a +EV allin, but not nearly as gigantic.

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

calling seems best to me vs tmay but he prob would give my repect more flat then yours and cbet less frequent so as you flat and shover over cbet on like 60% of boards.

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

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he prob would give my repect more flat then yours

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how high are you right now?

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

is the 3k raise standard for tmay? haven't played w him much

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

I 3bet call shove. tmay def steals utg from time to time and I think 24bb effective stacks are just shallow enough where 3bet > flat, though tmay is certainly a tight player in general.

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

for you guys that flat call... what do you do w/ 99?

i just fold 99, and i dont think folding here w/ TT would be crazy - that said, i think i like 3bet/calling or just shoving better, and either is bettre than calling. Once we get over 30bbs i like calling better.

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

What would people's 3 bet sizes be in this spot btw?

Re: Kinda simple Preflop spot v Tmay in 109r
 

9500