Basic Flop Problem
 

4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50.

Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25.

Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call.

What is your thought process when you see this?

What do you need to call with?

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So a villain who has shown virtually no aggression wakes up and plays back at you? It's an easy fold without AA, JJ or an 8 in your hand.

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It's a pretty easy fold with AA in your hand.

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So a villain who has shown virtually no aggression wakes up and plays back at you? It's an easy fold without AA, JJ or an 8 in your hand.

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Yeah, I'd need really good hand to call here.

Do we throw away KK and QQ here?

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It's a pretty easy fold with AA in your hand.

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FR maybe, but not 4 handed.

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This is the most difficult situation for me. At these levels I've seen bad players make this play with AJ, QQ, KK....how can we fold AA here?

Would an 8 really play it this fast? Seems like he wants you to fold...

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So a villain who has shown virtually no aggression wakes up and plays back at you? It's an easy fold without AA, JJ or an 8 in your hand.

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Yeah, I'd need really good hand to call here.

Do we throw away KK and QQ here?

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Since that introduces AA into villain's range I think you are probably flipping at bets with KK and well behind with QQ. I'd put a very tight villain's range at JJ+, AJ and maybe A8. OP's description is this guy is a nit calling station, so when he shows strength it is unlikely to be a bluff.

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So a villain who has shown virtually no aggression wakes up and plays back at you? It's an easy fold without AA, JJ or an 8 in your hand.

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Yeah, I'd need really good hand to call here.

Do we throw away KK and QQ here?

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Since that introduces AA into villain's range I think you are probably flipping at bets with KK and well behind with QQ. I'd put a very tight villain's range at JJ+, AJ and maybe A8. OP's description is this guy is a nit calling station, so when he shows strength it is likely to be a bluff.

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Do you mean "unlikely to be a bluff"?

Anyway, I wanted to point out that Villain has been playing a lot of hands. So he probably isn't tight. I thihk this hurts us more than helping us, though, since it increases the possibility that an 8 is in his hand.

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It's a pretty easy fold with AA in your hand.

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FR maybe, but not 4 handed.

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Agreed. My bad.

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So a villain who has shown virtually no aggression wakes up and plays back at you? It's an easy fold without AA, JJ or an 8 in your hand.

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Yeah, I'd need really good hand to call here.

Do we throw away KK and QQ here?

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Since that introduces AA into villain's range I think you are probably flipping at bets with KK and well behind with QQ. I'd put a very tight villain's range at JJ+, AJ and maybe A8. OP's description is this guy is a nit calling station, so when he shows strength it is likely to be a bluff.

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Do you mean "unlikely to be a bluff"?

Anyway, I wanted to point out that Villain has been playing a lot of hands. So he probably isn't tight. I thihk this hurts us more than helping us, though, since it increases the possibility that an 8 is in his hand.

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unlikely . TYVM. post edited.

If he's been playing a 40/1/.4 style, then an 8 is easily in his range. All signs are that you need a monster to stack off here.