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Black winter day 09-03-2007 06:45 PM

I literally feel sick on the flop
 
2-5 gbp, villain is a pretty standard TAG.I have a TAG stats, but been 3betting pretty light.

I make it 20 with AA in MP, he 3bets to 65 from BB.I reraise to 180, he calls.His range here is JJ-AA,AK.
Flop is KK9,2 spades.Check check.Turn is a Tx.He shoves.Shove = a little bit less than a pot basically.
Can i call?

Etats360 09-03-2007 06:50 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
Once you check the flop, you have to call here.

Trivial 09-03-2007 06:50 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
£500 stacks? If you've got in £180 preflop I don't see how you can consider folding here.

Black winter day 09-03-2007 06:52 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
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£500 stacks? If you've got in £180 preflop I don't see how you can consider folding here.

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The problem is i basically beat nothing...I get more than 2 to 1 on the money, but other than that...

AceMason 09-03-2007 06:55 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
Pokerstove it, I'd call and laugh at him when he tables t8o.
I pokerstoved it and you have 61% equity against his range, if that is his range, so call.

Black winter day 09-03-2007 07:00 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
This is range for calling 180 preflop, i doubt he shoves JJ or QQ here, since he expects me to shove every flop after i 4bet, whether i have it or not and after i check behind i think he would want to show it down or let me fire at it at least (i either have him crushed or have 2 or 3 outs in the vast majority of cases)...

Bah, i guess, i am commited to call in any case after putting so much in preflop.

Hattifnatt 09-03-2007 07:03 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
push the flop, as played I dunno, guess you have to call but its def close.

Black winter day 09-03-2007 07:05 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
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push the flop, as played I dunno, guess you have to call but its def close.

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Why would you push the flop?
Isn't this the classic WA/WB scenario?
Also, by checking i do allow some shoves from JJ-QQ that may put me on AsQs or something similar after i check behind.

Praetor 09-03-2007 07:05 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
i would push the flop

AceMason 09-03-2007 07:06 PM

Re: I literally feel sick on the flop
 
I don't mind a check on the flop as long as you call a shove on the turn from any non q or spade if you dont have one


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