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robinmbuk 08-20-2007 07:13 PM

Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.12/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.64
Hero: $25.75
CO: $17.56
Button: $20.26
SB: $30.04
BB (Villian - 45/18/1.2): $11.03

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.12, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $10.03</font>, Hero ?.

Villian bought in short rather than losing a big pot. I've only played one pot with villian where he sucked out to a turned flush draw vs me with less then 1/2 a psb left. He cheked when he hit then open shoved river.

My first thought when he shoved is and overpair (most of which I beat but he could play AA this way), some sort of combo draw or a set that is afraid I could draw to a flush. What One thing to consider is the last time he flopped a draw vs me when short he didn't shove. I didn't consider at the time that given his pf raise stats he prob raises most overpairs pf. One thing that sticks in my mind is why not c/r allin if he has a good hand like a set? Afraid I'll draw to a flush maybe?

Call/fold? Please explain your reasoning as I'm trying to learn.

XHitman014 08-20-2007 07:20 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
Please call. This could be anything from QQ-22 to a naked flush draw. You absolutely crush this range. This is just a quick range but I'm sure there are some SCs + odd unsuited connectors as well that I missed.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.262% 68.98% 01.28% 41655 776.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 29.738% 28.45% 01.28% 17183 776.00 { QQ-22, AJs }

robinmbuk 08-20-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
My point is that this is not how he played his flush draw against be before.

stickdude 08-20-2007 07:22 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
It's Pacific Poker. Unless players there have gotten a lot better since the last time I played there, this is a fist-pump call. It's a matter of individual style whether the fist-pump comes before the call or the other way around - just do what works best for you.

gobby888 08-20-2007 07:25 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
Can't consider Villain or hero having the straigh (i.e. A-3 or 3-6), and a flush draw for villain is unlikely.

Could be a set or overpair, I wouldn't be able to fold this one, even if I'm sure he has a set. Looking at Hitman's post above, you're beating his likely range so if it is a set, then so be it.

RobBizzle 08-20-2007 07:30 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
Please call this.

Antinome 08-20-2007 07:32 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
...this is a fist-pump call. It's a matter of individual style whether the fist-pump comes before the call or the other way around - just do what works best for you.

[/ QUOTE ]

I loled.

XHitman014 08-20-2007 07:33 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
You can discount the FD all you want, but this is way more likely a scared overpair or some type of draw rather than a made straight/set. You can add straight hands + 2 pair hands to the range above but this is going to be a +EV to call 40bbs everytime with KK on this board since there are so many overpairs in his range.

traz 08-20-2007 07:48 PM

Re: Cowboys facing open shove on flop
 
ship


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