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jfish 11-04-2007 03:16 PM

dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
1.) td is 22/19, 24wtsd, 46wwsf, 4.61/4.45/2.44/2.38 AF over 63.1k hands. no real history.

FullTiltPoker Game #4056911061: Table Wild Wave (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:53:39 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: YouGotWorked ($1,968)
Seat 2: pN671 ($990)
Seat 3: xxxlargeballs ($263.25)
Seat 4: Smart LAG ($1,000)
Seat 5: kmoneyk10 ($1,262)
Seat 6: td8507 ($1,318)
pN671 posts the small blind of $5
xxxlargeballs posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Smart LAG [Ac Ks]
Smart LAG raises to $35
kmoneyk10 folds
td8507 calls $35
YouGotWorked folds
pN671 folds
xxxlargeballs folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 2d 6h]
Smart LAG bets $68
td8507 has 15 seconds left to act
td8507 raises to $170


2.) YGW is 20/17, 25wtsd, 44wwsf, 4.46/4.42/4.19/4.0 AF over 9.2k hands. no real history.

FullTiltPoker Game #4057181064: Table Evergreen (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:19:07 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: browerkid ($1,169)
Seat 2: Smart LAG ($2,108)
Seat 3: YouGotWorked ($1,323)
Seat 4: Anytime 2323 ($1,038)
Seat 5: jackuup888 ($1,280)
Seat 6: pN671 ($1,117)
pN671 posts the small blind of $5
browerkid posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Smart LAG [Qc Qs]
Smart LAG raises to $35
YouGotWorked calls $35
Anytime 2323 folds
jackuup888 folds
pN671 folds
browerkid folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 3s 6d]
Smart LAG bets $68
YouGotWorked raises to $196


3.) op_dinner is 19/15, 24wtsd, 44wwsf, 2.72/3.70/2.25/2.57 AF over 44.6k hands. he does not get too out of line and is a decent winner.

FullTiltPoker Game #4055173389: Table Sun City (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:54:16 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: Op_Dinner_Out ($2,376.65)
Seat 2: xxxlargeballs ($230)
Seat 3: ibluff69111 ($674.50)
Seat 4: Slick82 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 5: Smart LAG ($970)
Seat 6: fivetenatrad ($730)
xxxlargeballs posts the small blind of $5
ibluff69111 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Smart LAG [Ts Td]
Smart LAG raises to $35
fivetenatrad folds
Op_Dinner_Out calls $35
xxxlargeballs folds
ibluff69111 folds
*** FLOP *** [6c 2h Qs]
Smart LAG bets $68
Op_Dinner_Out has 15 seconds left to act
Op_Dinner_Out raises to $180

tozzy 11-04-2007 03:19 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
no history, solid stats, nothing remarkable:
id say call #1/2 and probably fold to turnbets (i hate this vs certain opps but vs your standard tag its okay) and fold #3.

jfish 11-04-2007 03:20 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
im guessing you dont play ftp 5/10.

Christophers 11-04-2007 03:23 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
I'd call all 3, never folding #1 and "re-evaluating" #2 and #3

edit: Actually, since the third guy is nitty and you raised UTG I could probably just let it go now.

aislephive 11-04-2007 03:33 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
1 I'd call and never fold later on typically. I'm not sure if I like 3betting unless he can 4bet bluff or something sick. Board is dry as hell so I would just lean towards calling with an occasional 3bet here.

Two I'd call and re-evaluate, probably calling all turn bets at least and likely calling the river as well. I think 3betting is a little thin but with history I'd like it.

3 I would probably just fold now vs this guy. I think we face heat on later streets a lot, and I really don't want to call this guy down with an underpair, so I'd let it go now.

Lucky 11-04-2007 03:40 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
hand 1 and 2: prob call and raise turn up.

hand 3: fold is fine

JKratzer 11-04-2007 03:40 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
1. is a call for sure, wouldn't plan on folding later but could depending on board/bets.

2. 3-bet mostly, i find ygw to be pretty aggressive post almost to the point of spewiness.

3. i don't mind a fold w/o a lot of history.

Rampage_Jackson 11-04-2007 04:04 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
If were are going to three bet any of them it would be number 2. First one I call. Third I fold generally.

KingGordy 11-04-2007 04:08 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
1) Call and c/r all in on most turn, although 3 beting the flop can be okay if you think he'll interpret it as weakness.
2) Call and evaluate turn, I like 3 betting a bit less on this hand given the stack depth, if all the money goes in I think we're behind a lot. Then again I don't know the villain here.
3) fold.

MDMA 11-04-2007 04:13 PM

Re: dealing with flop raises, 3 hands
 
wtf is people talking about


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