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Afro_Love 10-15-2007 01:19 PM

Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($49.70)
MP ($9.75)
CO ($15.55)
Button ($25.60)
SB ($18.85)
Hero ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2.5</font>, Hero calls $2.50, CO folds.

Turn: ($8.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, SB calls $5.

River: ($18.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10.35 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???

Final Pot: $38.95

Is this a call or a fold? I'm leaning to either a boat or a bluff. Why would a flush draw call the turn bet? Or is it profitable to call that turn bet with a draw?

Nemesis69 10-15-2007 01:23 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
Insta-call. We should not be worried about the flush. If villian flopped a boat: ul. But he is "slowplaying" a worser ten 80% of the time here.

Perk76 10-15-2007 01:31 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
Easy call. Obviously he can have other combinations of Tens, but they will over play other pairs here as well trying to push you off AA/KK. If he has 66, its unlucky, reload.

The 13th 4postle 10-15-2007 01:51 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
I bet he has a ten but to the King. Or maybe but highly unlikly Full House with Ten 5 or Ten 4

The 13th 4postle 10-15-2007 01:52 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
Im really interested to see what villain had?
66 makes moresense then my previous responses. Villain is hoping you have flush and pushed all in trying to maximize pot.

buttonpusher 10-15-2007 01:56 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
I'm calling here every time. I don't see him having a flush here very often, but he will occasionally have a boat. I think he has an overpair/weaker 10 most of the time.

marimba man 10-15-2007 01:57 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
Don't forget the fist-pump. Snapcall for me too.

rwejr 10-15-2007 01:59 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
There aren't many hands here you beat. Any hand like T9, JT, or QT might have gotten it in already. He could have an op, but I don't think that's too likely here. I'd put him more on something like a middle pair, specifically 66 or 55. The cc on the turn indicates strength to me, like maybe he caught his set there. I lean towards fold here - the cc on the turn and the push on the river all indicate a strong hand wanting to get paid off fearing that the hero would check behind on the river.

marimba man 10-15-2007 02:04 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
[ QUOTE ]
There aren't many hands here you beat. Any hand like T9, JT, or QT might have gotten it in already. He could have an op, but I don't think that's too likely here. I'd put him more on something like a middle pair, specifically 66 or 55. The cc on the turn indicates strength to me, like maybe he caught his set there. I lean towards fold here - the cc on the turn and the push on the river all indicate a strong hand wanting to get paid off fearing that the hero would check behind on the river.

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Huh?

Let's see some ranges... assuming random 25NL player since no reads were given.

On the river I would think

JJ+, JT+, 66, 55.

This isn't even remotely close to a fold considering the odds we're getting as well...

Perk76 10-15-2007 02:06 PM

Re: Tripple facing shove [25NL]
 
[ QUOTE ]
There aren't many hands here you beat.
I lean towards fold here -


[/ QUOTE ]

SB raised preflop, cb the flop, check turn, push river which was 3/4 pot.

There are a ton of hands that could make sense with this line, the majority of which you beat. You can include AA/KK/QQ/JJ considering he raised preflop, bet as standard, checked the turn figuring only a worse hand would call at this point, and that he can get value on the river. Anyone with AA here is not folding in most spots.

55/66 reload....but folding this hand is criminal in the long run.

Edited to add: SB raising OOP with 55/66 would be rare for most villans also.


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