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goofyballer 09-30-2007 06:23 AM

QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
CO is jalexand42, running at about 23/20. I'm a nit (like 16/14) and we talk poker a lot so he knows this. We tend to stay out of each others' way at the tables.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $383.10
BB: $394.00
Hero (UTG): $709.00
MP: $392.60
CO: $480
BTN: $392.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $14.00, BTN calls $14.00, SB calls $12.00, BB folds

Flop: ($60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, CO calls $42.00, 2 folds

Turn: ($144) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero needs a plan

Just for fun, evaluate the best action in each of these two scenarios (as well as whether I should check or bet turn):

Turn: ($144) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $110</font>, Hero...

Turn: ($144) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $110</font>, <font color="red">CO is all-in $424</font>

If I bet turn and he calls, or if I check-call turn, what's my river plan? I assume I'm checking pretty much any riv since I don't see myself getting called on a 3barrel with worse hands here and all I can really do is bluffcatch. So, I'm c/f any spade? What about 5/7/8/T/J/K since any of those complete a possible OESD or double gutter?

nutsflopper 09-30-2007 06:32 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
Don't chk/call turn. Bet/allin riv if you know he always raises turn obv.

Barrin6 09-30-2007 06:34 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
C/r turn on the 1st one. I'm like 100% sure you are ahead here on both situations.

Parlay Slow 09-30-2007 09:15 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
bet/fold works here

Unknown Soldier 09-30-2007 09:18 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
depends on the other players in the hands, would you suspect that he would raise a draw on the flop? because i doubt you're getting much value out of worse pairs if you bet the turn

tannenj 09-30-2007 10:08 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
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bet/fold works here

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agree. and i probably cf the river if called.

DJ Sensei 09-30-2007 10:55 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
i think bet-fold too. if he's gonna make a move on you with a worse hand, its probably gonna be on the flop. unless you've got a high 2-barrel frequency in this spot.

Nick Royale 09-30-2007 11:26 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
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bet/fold works here

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Triumph36 09-30-2007 11:30 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
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bet/fold works here

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yep.

there's two players behind jalex on the flop. if he's making a move, it's pretty sick. i'd put him on AQ/KQ here a lot though.

aislephive 09-30-2007 11:49 AM

Re: QJ hits top pair on drawy board vs jalexand42
 
I don't mind b/f at all. I like c/f as well, fwiw. Checkraising the turn would basically be a bluff (which may work, but I wouldn't be too sure).


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