NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

No reads on villain yet. That kind of minraise is almost always for value but i'm getting very good odds... Would anyone fold this? Feel free to comment other parts of the hand as well.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
SB: $206
Hero: $194

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">SB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($36, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $50</font>, Hero calls?

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

I curse here and call. Some guy yesterday actually missed his flush and made a minraise bluff on the river.

Would he really check a king on the turn? He might, but I still call.

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

Do you minraise river ever from position just like that? I think it's a decent way to extract value in situations like that. Is there any weakness in it?

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

i fold these...i would love if someone could do an analysis from PT on river donk raises and what % is air vs strong hand.

i play on a non-PT site, so i can't

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

calling your hand top two pair doesn't seem very precise to me.

lately i've seen so many minraise bluffs that I'd call this.

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

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Do you minraise river ever from position just like that? I think it's a decent way to extract value in situations like that. Is there any weakness in it?

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they might call a bigger raise?

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

anybody here leading the turn or is checking standard?

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

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anybody here leading the turn or is checking standard?

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By leading the turn, you can get into so much trouble. Even if you have the best hand in the moment, you are vurnerable to scary cards and bluffs on the river, which become wortwhile after you builded up the pot. It depends on the metagame, but usually it is not a good play.

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

I don't like leading the turn because you can easily get pushed off a worse hand either now or the river.

as i think about this more, i may think the river is a call. The turn was checked and villain can easily be thinking "He can only call the river with a K."

Re: NL200 - Top two pair on paired board faces minraise on the river
 

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I don't like leading the turn because you can easily get pushed off a worse hand either now or the river.

as i think about this more, i may think the river is a call. The turn was checked and villain can easily be thinking "He can only call the river with a K."

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I would probably call even a larger raise here because of that but I am a calling station. You definitely have to call a minraise.