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goofyballer 11-29-2007 06:20 PM

What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
When mulling over a decision in a live game sometimes I hear a player say "time," and the dealer will usually acknowledge it by saying "time" or "player requests time." What's the official meaning of this? Is the player just saying "hey, I might be thinking about this for a bit?" If so, why does the dealer need to acknowledge this?

franknagaijr 11-29-2007 06:24 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
The decider has either 30 or 60 seconds to act or their hand will be declared dead.

whorasaurus 11-29-2007 06:25 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
it means the floor is coming over shortly to sic the clock on yo' ass.

dizzle98 11-29-2007 06:28 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
It does not mean the player is calling the clock. I believe OP is saying the person who's action it is is saying "time" which is an indication they are thinking. They are saying it and the dealer is repeating it so that everyone is clear on where the action is and what's going on.

that_pope 11-29-2007 06:29 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
When it happens in limit games at Casino AZ, it usually means a player has a tough decision, and is just being polite to the table by acknowledging that it is on them, and they are pondering their options. It isn't them calling a clock on themselves or anything dumb, just a courtesy that they are figuring out what to do, and not dumbly wasting peoples time.

Edit: Dizzle was more to the point than my rambling.

goofyballer 11-29-2007 06:38 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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I believe OP is saying the person who's action it is is saying "time" which is an indication they are thinking.

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Yeah, sorry I didn't word that more clearly. It's the player whose turn it is to act saying it.

DJ Sensei 11-29-2007 06:52 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
I think it has something to do with running and running to catch up with the sun. Unfortunately, its sinking.

pfapfap 11-29-2007 07:29 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
As was stated, it's a quick way for a player to say, "yes, I know the action is on me, I'm thinking for a second, please bear with me," without distracting the player or being unnecessarily verbose. The dealer repeats it as an acknowledgment to the player that it was heard, and to let the rest of the table know that action is paused and they shouldn't all start to act out of turn.

Keeping a low stakes game running smoothly can sometimes be like herding a bunch of 4-year-olds while chasing after housecats. Since nobody is sure who hears what, if you're taking time to make your decision, please say "time"... especially if you find the dealer is constantly staring at you or reminding you that it's your action, or if people are frequently skipping your action. And ESPECIALLY if you're wearing sunglasses and are prone to use those subtle balla hand-gestures.

Gonso 11-29-2007 07:38 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
It's also to prevent problems when people start acting after you by accident

I.Rowboat 11-29-2007 09:17 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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It's also to prevent problems when people start acting after you by accident

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This is precisely the reason why people say "time." AFAIK, it goes back to the original Gardena card rooms, and is insurance against people angleshooting you by mucking their hands out of turn before you have a chance to act, and thus killing your action. Many of the games used to be player-dealt (!), and with no professional center dealer to keep things in line and a bunch of rough characters, all sorts of things are possible.

ZPinhead 11-30-2007 04:36 AM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
I have also hear (and have used) 'Time' as a 'Time out' indication when I believe action should stopped for some reason. An example is where I am ponder my hand (in a limit game) for a few seconds and players after me continue to act (fold). Also if I see some kind of action that I don't beleive is right and I think that everyone should stop for a second (especially with a weak dealer) to figure out what is going on.

Calling a clock on someone (over glorified with TV tournament poker) would involve terms like 'can I get a clock on him?' and should never be used in a live game situation (IMHO)

Rick Nebiolo 11-30-2007 05:00 AM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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It's also to prevent problems when people start acting after you by accident

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This is precisely the reason why people say "time." AFAIK, it goes back to the original Gardena card rooms, and is insurance against people angleshooting you by mucking their hands out of turn before you have a chance to act, and thus killing your action. Many of the games used to be player-dealt (!), and with no professional center dealer to keep things in line and a bunch of rough characters, all sorts of things are possible.

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In Gardena the little old lady poker players would even shout "time" when reaching into their handbags to pay a cashier at the grocery store.

~ Rick

bav 11-30-2007 10:26 AM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
Oddly enough we had a conversation about this topic at a table a couple weeks ago. A couple dealers and dual-rates playing at the table said "players who call 'time' have technically just asked for a clock on themselves--it doesn't mean what they think it means."

goofyballer 11-30-2007 03:03 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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Oddly enough we had a conversation about this topic at a table a couple weeks ago. A couple dealers and dual-rates playing at the table said "players who call 'time' have technically just asked for a clock on themselves--it doesn't mean what they think it means."

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Yeah, that's kinda why I started this thread - I was curious if ppl were inadvertently calling a clock on themselves in the process but at least at the rooms I've played I've never seen a clock get invoked or anything.

AngusThermopyle 11-30-2007 03:26 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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A couple dealers and dual-rates playing at the table said "players who call 'time' have technically just asked for a clock on themselves--it doesn't mean what they think it means."

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Dealers and dual-rates often don't know what they are talking about.

How did they say you were supposed to state that you are still thinking and have not checked, in order to preserve your right to act on your hand?

QuadsOverQuads 11-30-2007 05:14 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 

It's a courtesy to the table, and it helps everyone remain clear on the action.

The player informs the dealer he needs time -- this is done so the dealer knows that the player isn't just zoning out, but is actually considering a tough decision.

The dealer repeats this to the players -- this is done so the players know that dealer isn't zoning out either, but is holding the action for a specific player who is weighing a specific and difficult decision.

The table now knows where the action is, why it's holding, and that the dealer is on top of it. Out-of-turn action is prevented, and unwarranted prompting of the player and the dealer are avoided, as well.

This is what happens at a good and courteous table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


q/q

ungarop 11-30-2007 07:23 PM

Re: What exactly does \"time\" mean?
 
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Calling a clock on someone (over glorified with TV tournament poker) would involve terms like 'can I get a clock on him?' and should never be used in a live game situation (IMHO)

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Seriously? Never? Do you play in any low limit NL games where you pay time and there are 3 or 4 WSOP main event wannabees with the ipod-hoodie-oakley on? Some of them would take over 30 seconds pre-flop on every hand if they were allowed.

These guys kill the mood for the good spots in the game who are there to gambool it up in a fast paced game.

I call time liberally in a timed game if this is happening. First I try a few well placed words and questions about why it takes so long to fold 92o.

In a raked game I have far more patience, but after 2 minutes in a low-limit NL game, if it's not a huge pot, I call time as well.


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