[100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

Villain is 21/5/0.8 over 500 hands. Seems pretty solid.

As you can see stacks are deep, around 200 BB.

Shove flop, shove turn? As played, shove river or c/c (or c/f)?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (10 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($100)
CO ($60)
Button ($79.46)
SB ($190.02)
Hero ($189.48)
UTG ($341.34)
UTG+1 ($220.58)
UTG+2 ($68.31)
MP1 (Villain) ($216.59)
MP2 ($165)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 (Villain) calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises to $16</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $41</font>, UTG folds, Villain calls $25.

Turn: ($95) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $78</font>, Villain calls $78.

River: ($251) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets ???</font>

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

easy shove, you have like 1/4 pot left. What are you going to do c/f?

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

3bet more on flop, up to $60, then shove turn.

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

I think this qualifies for an overbet shove on turn.

As played, yeah you have to shove river, even though he probably filled up.

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

Getting 4.5 to 1, I don't fold here if he shoves.

Since you will always end up all in if you are behind, you need to make sure you get it all in those times you are ahead too (don't let him check behind a turned straight).

So shove.

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

Of course I shoved river, wasn't even thinking about it. Just wanted to see if anyone actually checks here.

I was more interested in my bet sizing on flop and turn, can I overbet shove 2 x pot on this turn? Can I even 3bet all in on flop?

I guess my initial bet on the flop is a bit small as well? Would this be a good spot to overbet the flop, to hopefully build a bigger pot for turn shove?

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

My honest impression is that we can talk about bet sizes all we want, but you two were getting all in no matter what you did unless you both managed to check the turn.

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

bet more on the flop and more on the flop 3/bet. super dangerous board where anybody can have sets 2p's and will tangle with you.

when he calls your flop bet, he almost always has a set here. i would be firing more on every street.

Re: [100 NL] Flopped nut straight, line check please
 

Bet more on the flop. Raise more on the flop. Push the turn. That turn card is fantastic for you because any Tx at all will call a turn push with their "straight." Sets probably call, too.

As played, shove the river. You don't have much left, and any Tx hand will still call. You can't c/f. And Tx hands might not bet if you check, but call if you bet.