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jj12 11-21-2007 09:34 PM

putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
Villain is 24/14/4 over 1000 hands. This sesh (100 hands) he is on some kind of agro rampage. Here are some hands from his play:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $378.98
CO: $2253.12
Button: $1324.25
SB: $1139.5
Hero: $1067

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $130</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $350</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1047</font>,
<font color="#cc0000">SB folds</font>.

The hand above happens 5 hands after I sat down (altho he knows that I am a 21/18 tag that is aggro pre).
In another hand in SB vs BB: He opens I repop AQs he pushes.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $2207.02
SB: $495.95
BB: $1769

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $33</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $135</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $462.95</font>, BB calls.
He is BB here and has Ad5d.

Besides being on an agro rampage I kept winning hands on the flop vs him. The last 3 hands we've seen flop I've taken it away. 2 times legitametly and one time I 3-bet his bs check raise on a 3sTh2h board. So I feel this guy is getting very frustrated by me.

Now on to the hand:
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $660.5
Button: $1889.8
SB: $1592.15
Hero: $1971.02

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $35</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($70, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $70</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $240</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1552.15</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $3174.3


I feel that raising and getting it in is better than flatting because of the overagro history (esp on flop). His push kinda scares me because he is probably not bluffing (altho he could be tilt shoving overs).

trambopoline 11-21-2007 09:50 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
"His push kinda scares me because he is probably not bluffing"

Umm, then fold? This is based too much on the flow of the game IMO but either way you're probably getting it in as about a 50/50 or a big dog. So id prob fold, but it is close

jj12 11-21-2007 09:52 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
tramb. the guy seems on tilt and he is instapushing and instacalling a lot. can I really fold this? I mean the idiot could be putting it in with A8 or 34 offsuit. Also I was expecting him to at least three-bet my raise as a rebluff (I was shoving over this).

jj12 11-21-2007 09:59 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
did some equity calc:

Wins Ties Equity
51.05% 0.44% 51.50% ( 88+,22,55,A8, 34, 67, AdKd-Ad2d, KdQd-Kd5d, QdJd-Qd8d,JdTd-Jd8d, 9d8d-5d4d,9d7d-6d4d )
48.06% 0.44% 48.50% ( TcTd )

w/o A8

Wins Ties Equity
54.45% 0.49% 54.94% ( 88+,22,55, 34, 67, AdKd-Ad2d, KdQd-Kd5d, QdJd-Qd8d,JdTd-Jd8d, 9d8d-5d4d,9d7d-6d4d )
44.57% 0.49% 45.06% ( TcTd )

Jinx 11-21-2007 10:18 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
seems like the easiest preflop 3 bet ever

RockyElsom 11-21-2007 10:21 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
3-betting preflop is probably the best way to go.

As played, on the flop, I'm not a huge fan of your raise. He's already shown discipline in is aggressiveness by folding when the jig is up. Why not call him down and let him implode?

jj12 11-21-2007 10:31 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
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seems like the easiest preflop 3 bet ever

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3-betting pre sux because:
a) what do you do when 4-bet cuz i feel it's comming. 3-betting pre allows him to put us in [censored] spot with a lot of overcard hands.
b) what do you do if he calls and the flop comes Q high? you cbet and get c/raised. I think you should be checking behind. So on most flops you will have a bloated pot where it will be hard to extract value.
c) calling allows us to bluff-call on 1-overcard flops and raise undercard flops and get a 3-bet bluff from him.I love to see a flop vs this guy since this is the street where i've been beating on him the most.

Yeti 11-21-2007 10:51 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
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a) what do you do when 4-bet cuz i feel it's comming.

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jizz everywhere then 5-bet? (see hand #1)


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In another hand in SB vs BB: He opens I repop AQs he pushes.

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you folded i take it?

jj12 11-21-2007 10:55 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
yeah i folded.

jj12 11-21-2007 11:10 PM

Re: putting it in super light vs overagro 150 bbs deep. 1000NL
 
ok I did some calcs about shoving over his 4-bet. If he 4-bets to 370 and his calling range for a push is AK,JJ+, we need 52% fold equity to make pushing break even.

EV if called = -409. EV if folds = 370

370*x+(1-x)*-409=0
x=52%.

So if he 4-bets we need to shove against this guy.


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