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Bantam222 11-23-2007 09:38 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
are you guys talking about micro winrates or higher stakes?

corsakh 11-23-2007 09:47 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
50nl - 100nl

ICMoney 11-23-2007 09:48 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
About sample sizes and ptbb/100:

It's hard to know what someone's true win rate is because the players do not put in 300k hands at 50nl, 100nl or w/e before moving up.

Someone might crush 50nl for 6pt over 25k hands, repeat at 100nl and then grind out 200nl for 2.5pt/100 until he has the roll/upswing to move up.

Check out the variance spreadsheet (link?). It's pretty sick. It generates 200k hand graphs and every time you refresh the sheet it gives you a new graph. Some of the graphs look like complete opposites of one another.

You often hear that a decent player should be making 5ptbb/100 or something but this just doesn't happen anymore.

corsakh 11-23-2007 09:50 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
5ptbb is certainly sustainable, not sure about crazy numbers like 10+ ptbb.

dlorc 11-23-2007 09:52 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I think some of the higher figures floating around might be sustainable if the rake wasnt gross @ micros.

Wilpro 11-23-2007 09:55 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
ptbb/100 is going to be misleading to how well a player can beat a level, because someone who is crushing, plays more tables, which decreases their ptbb/100 but increases their ptbb/hour winrate.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 09:55 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I just remembered this phrase:

Everyone is promoted to his level of ignorance.

Usually used in a corporate setting - get promoted until you can barely do your job and don't have the skill set to move up in the organization.

Think the same thing goes on in the poker world.


I have a bunch of nl100 hands that I haven't loaded into my db and I would be very surprised if more than .5% sustained a ptbb/100 of 5+ over anything resembling a decent sample size.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 09:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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ptbb/100 is going to be misleading to how well a player can beat a level, because someone who is crushing, plays more tables, which decreases their ptbb/100 but increases their ptbb/hour winrate.

[/ QUOTE ]

Point well taken.

Unless you get a complete datamine, you would never really know what that player's MTT ratio is.

For players with a high number of hands I would think 6.5 would be a fair MTT ratio.

4-tabling at 5pt is the same as 6.5 tabling at 3.1pt.*

*Excluding rakeback.

Mr_Pathetic 11-23-2007 10:01 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I think it kind of works like uNL anything 5-6 and up is good. At SSNL I think anywhere from 4 and up is good. At MSNL I think anywhere from 1-4 is good with anything over 4 as godly. I think at HSNL anything over 1 is probably good and anything over much more then that is gold. But like most ppl said some people will not spend enough time at a given level to find their real winrate. I have played 26k hands of NL25 now and my winrate is nowhere near where I think it would be b/c I have been in a nasty long stretch of coolers, bad beats, not getting paid off when I should especially with my aggro self, and in general just not playing well.

I datamined quite a bit of NL1000 and most folks were in the 1-3 range with a few above 4+. Someone posted a shot of where they played 57,000 hands of NL1000 on FTP for 4.79 PTBB. I datamined another player who plays HSNL for over 60,000 hands and he was at 4.09 playing limits from NL2000-NL40000 (not aba).

ICMoney 11-23-2007 10:01 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Oh yeah, (my job and) all these posts is prob why I've played <4k hands this month.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 10:06 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I think it kind of works like uNL anything 5-6 and up is good. At SSNL I think anywhere from 4 and up is good.

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If we were required to play >200k or w/e hands at uNL for 5-6 ptbb and then 4+ at SSNL I don't think we'd be playing MSNL for years and years.

When you say good I think you should say exceptional.

whyzze 11-23-2007 10:11 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
heres a clip from the greatest movie ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7G1-IR2rrU


I plan on doing everything i can to book these guys for my wedding...assuming they are the actual band.

tannenj 11-23-2007 10:23 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
if i were to make a video for the forum, would anyone watch it? and if so, what would you guys prefer -- 10 nl, 25 nl, or 50 nl?

LT22 11-23-2007 10:26 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I think it kind of works like uNL anything 5-6 and up is good. At SSNL I think anywhere from 4 and up is good.

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If we were required to play >200k or w/e hands at uNL for 5-6 ptbb and then 4+ at SSNL I don't think we'd be playing MSNL for years and years.

When you say good I think you should say exceptional.

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you think 5-6 is exceptional at uNL and 4+ exceptional at SSNL?

corsakh 11-23-2007 10:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
50nl

Mr_Pathetic 11-23-2007 10:33 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
not sure if you mean me or him but since something i said was in quotes there i will say good does not equal exceptional. Good means what it means, just good/decent/ok. not great/exceptional/excellent. that is what i meant when i said good.

bored 11-23-2007 10:39 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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if i were to make a video for the forum, would anyone watch it? and if so, what would you guys prefer -- 10 nl, 25 nl, or 50 nl?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd watch it!

50nl please.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 10:41 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if i were to make a video for the forum, would anyone watch it? and if so, what would you guys prefer -- 10 nl, 25 nl, or 50 nl?

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I'd watch it!

50nl please.

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ICMoney 11-23-2007 10:42 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I think it kind of works like uNL anything 5-6 and up is good. At SSNL I think anywhere from 4 and up is good.

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If we were required to play >200k or w/e hands at uNL for 5-6 ptbb and then 4+ at SSNL I don't think we'd be playing MSNL for years and years.

When you say good I think you should say exceptional.

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you think 5-6 is exceptional at uNL and 4+ exceptional at SSNL?

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Judging from my (and others) dbs 6pt is the exception and not the norm by any means.

Prob something on the order of <1%.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 10:46 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
My comp is a dog, but I'll see if I can post a screen shot of my 50nl FT db - filtered for 5+ handed.

Sniiii 11-23-2007 10:57 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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if i were to make a video for the forum, would anyone watch it? and if so, what would you guys prefer -- 10 nl, 25 nl, or 50 nl?

[/ QUOTE ]

50 nl would be great.

tannenj 11-23-2007 10:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
cool. 50 it is. hopefully i'll have it posted by tomorrow, but i'm a retard when it comes to technology so it's possible i'll run into some trouble.

kolotoure 11-23-2007 11:18 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I know this belongs in bbv but I had to x-post

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $71.20
UTG: $68.15
CO: $211.20
BTN: $48.50
Hero (SB): $104.25

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $4</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $211.20 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $88.25 and is All-In

Flop: ($210) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($210) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($210) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $210 Pot ($2 Rake)
CO showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $208 (+$103.75 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$104.25 NET)

corsakh 11-23-2007 11:22 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
At least you were not taking a shot [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Know when to fold'em, know when to muck'em, know when to run.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 11:23 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
PT is still retrieving summary information.

Haven't ran this query in forever.

LT22 11-23-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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I think it kind of works like uNL anything 5-6 and up is good. At SSNL I think anywhere from 4 and up is good.

[/ QUOTE ]


If we were required to play &gt;200k or w/e hands at uNL for 5-6 ptbb and then 4+ at SSNL I don't think we'd be playing MSNL for years and years.

When you say good I think you should say exceptional.

[/ QUOTE ]

you think 5-6 is exceptional at uNL and 4+ exceptional at SSNL?

[/ QUOTE ]


Judging from my (and others) dbs 6pt is the exception and not the norm by any means.

Prob something on the order of &lt;1%.

[/ QUOTE ]

wow, I never realized ppl struggled so bad. I'm not sure if I feel proud or retarded b/c I didn't move up til I won 5+.

Micro Donk 11-23-2007 11:37 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
made my pooh-bah video which teaches like nothing...how do i compress the vid size? im using camtasia

corsakh 11-23-2007 11:39 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Does it have a pooh bah audio?
Pooh bah watermark?

Micro Donk 11-23-2007 11:41 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
what r those?

whyzze 11-23-2007 11:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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made my pooh-bah video which teaches like nothing...how do i compress the vid size? im using camtasia

[/ QUOTE ]


do you mean zip it or whatever?


if you do, right click----&gt;add to archive

or something along those lines.

ICMoney 11-24-2007 12:07 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[b] <font color="green"> Only 2 players ran better than 5ptbb/100 over a decent sample and one was a 2p2 mod who moved down to 50nl to regain his confidence.

</font>


http://poker-ga.com/images/50nldbhigh.jpg

corsakh 11-24-2007 12:10 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
His name remains anonimous [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Wow at the table. People are so full of [censored].

Micro Donk 11-24-2007 12:11 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
is it ama?

whyzze 11-24-2007 12:13 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
hmm...I wonder which is me.

ShipitFMA 11-24-2007 12:15 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
im running at 6ptbb this month over 17k hands at stars [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

ICMoney 11-24-2007 12:17 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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is it ama?

[/ QUOTE ]

Guess again.

He not only runs well, but he pours a fine cup of brew.

corsakh 11-24-2007 12:20 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
How do you make a lifetime graph from different databases in pt.

ICMoney 11-24-2007 12:20 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Oh yeah, to all those out there running 6ptbb/100 over 300 million hands, I guess I just happened to not be datamining those days.

whyzze 11-24-2007 12:21 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
ICmoney, that is FTP right?

ICMoney 11-24-2007 12:22 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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ICmoney, that is FTP right?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, where the datamining is legal.

I might play on PS next year, but FT is my site for now.


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