55 UTG
 

Live $1500, blinds 400/800/100. I have 55 and 11.2K UTG 10-handed. Most of table has me covered. What is my play?

Re: 55 UTG
 

I can see different lines on this depending on reads and the table, but it's a borderline shove IMO. Once in a long time I'll see a person give away strength when looking at their cards, or notice a few people look at their cards and genuinely look displeased/disinterested, and it can make it a slightly easier shove or sway me towards folding, but with nothing to go on, I think it's a very borderline shove.

Sometimes if I'm playing with a bunch of people who know I should shove or fold, I feel like I can make the unusual play of raising and getting more fold equity than a shove, because all sorts of alarms go off in their heads and I'm representing a big pair that wants a call. They think "he knows he should fold or shove, we all know he should fold or shove... he *must* have a big hand and he wants a call!", and so against a table of these guys, I feel like I actually have more FE making a committing raise rather than just moving in.

Re: 55 UTG
 

This is a relatively standard fold unless the table is crazy tight

Re: 55 UTG
 

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This is a relatively standard shove unless the table is way looser than every live tournament I've played

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Honestly I'm not sure, but saying it's a standard fold is absurd with how nitty live players are

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We're open shoving 55 UTG for 14BB's @ a 10handed table?

This seriously cant be good.

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I think Folding>Raising 2.5-3x>Shoving

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i fold

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i fold. raise folding sucks. raise calling sucks more. shoving is prob slightly -EV.

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wow fold

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We're open shoving 55 UTG for 14BB's @ a 10handed table?

This seriously cant be good.

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Well my point was just mainly that live players are incredibly nitty. As I said I'm not sure if this is a fold or not, it's pretty close which I'm sure is why betgo posted it.

Antes are huge though, 10 handed there will be 2200 dead in the middle, equivalent to about 750/1500 blinds with no antes so really we have an effective BB of under 8.

In live tournaments when antes are so large and players are extra nitty, I lean towards shoving I think. Raising is bad because you're UTG and live players just love to call stupid [censored] which you're always flipping vs. and you will be OOP and have no way to play the flop. Shove for FE or fold.

As I said with big antes and live nits I'm leaning shove.