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HP_Drifter 11-29-2007 06:53 PM

10 + 1 5k : Two spots I butchered post flop
 
Stars 5k, I misplayed both of these hands pretty badly postflop (at least I think), but don't know what the correct line would have been for either.

Hand 1 - I just got to this table, so don't know anything about villain other than we're both about top 20 in chips at this moment. Is my flop raise okay. or should I really be looking to hit something after he calls my 3bet preflop? His tiny bet looked weak, and I was pretty shocked when he shoved. Should I have just called and reevaluated the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t7240)
UTG+1 (t9672)
MP1 (t9192)
MP2 (t2780)
MP3 (t17095)
CO (t4920)
Button (t12617)
SB (t29673)
Hero (t30361)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4555</font>, SB calls t2955.

Flop: (t9460) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t2400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t7777</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t25068</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t25014

Hand 2: I hated this situation. At these limits, the min-raise pre is really often AA or KK, which is why I didn't want to shove. I would have insta folded this if he had made a decent sized bet post-flop, but how do I fold to minbets? I guess I could have gotten away on the turn? Ugh.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t17581)
MP2 (t13025)
MP3 (t5617)
CO (t24915)
Button (t15120)
SB (t15040)
BB (t19544)
UTG (t41480)
Hero (t21534)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t8000</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t4000.

Flop: (t16525) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t1600</font>, Hero calls t1600.

Turn: (t19725) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t3200</font>, Hero calls t3200.

River: (t26125) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t1600</font>, Hero calls t1600.

Final Pot: t29325

swede554 11-29-2007 09:08 PM

Re: 10 + 1 5k : Two spots I butchered post flop
 
Hand 1: I don't like it. First of I'd raise more pre. I usually 3bet in the neighborhood of 3x the open, but if the open is a min-raise I treat is as a 3xbb open and 3bet accordingly. So I'd make it 6500-7000. The flop i just fold. Other flops I might play it the same, but I think we get shoved on here or called to often and either way we're done with the hand so yeah, just fold.

Hand 2: 4bet shove pre, you're not deep enough to get away from QQ here.

erocplayer 11-30-2007 01:38 AM

Re: 10 + 1 5k : Two spots I butchered post flop
 
hand 1: i probably wouldve made a much larger reraise. idk how much, but probably enough where i was calling even if he shoved. the advice on this forum is always to play AK much stronger than i was ever used to and, most times, i'm glad that i do. in heads up pots, i almost never (if ever) flatcall/fold this hand.

hand2: i think your biggest mistake post flop was to check. thats usually an indication of uber strength or a total lack of confidence and a lot of opponents are going to attack that. his minbet probably means he's worried too but if you had led out w/ the same ~potsize bet that you said would scare you, he may have folded also. (i dont mind a preflop 4bet allin, as suggested by swede554, either)


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