Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

having a static range for each action is terrible and super exploitable especially with your qualifier that bb is observant and wll adjust to our play. i also almost never complete the sb, either raise or fold and thats had fairly decent results for me.

Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

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having a static range for each action is terrible and super exploitable

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no one was talking about a static range. i just wanted to figure out some reasonable ranges if two good players play from the blinds.

Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

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I'm limp/calling AA just as often as 79.

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You can't possibly be serious.

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By just raising the good hands in his range doesn't allow your opponent to exploit this strategy

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Letting him play medium pots with a huge range, in position, with initiative is like giving him free money. He'd have to be flat out terrible not to exploit this strategy mercilessly.

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If your opponent rarely 3bets I'm a fan of raising more hands out of the sb.

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This is obviously a very important consideration. But if he's three betting a lot, why in the hell are you limping AA?

Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

I think some of the stuff tommo and others have said in this thread is so bad it's ban worthy.
The only two pieces of info I would use when deciding how often to raise someone's BB is how often they call the pfr and their general aggression and 3betting frequencies. I will never limp my SB, especially vs a good agressive thinking player as its just retarded

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I will never limp my SB, especially vs a good agressive thinking player as its just retarded

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$100 says you can't defend this position intelligently.

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I will never limp my SB, especially vs a good agressive thinking player as its just retarded

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$100 says you can't defend this position intelligently.

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I probably can't not vs you anyway!

Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

Anyway I just prefer to raise and I've never seen anyone put a good argument towards open-limping in the SB anyway

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Anyway I just prefer to raise and I've never seen anyone put a good argument towards open-limping in the SB anyway

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Don't get me wrong, I don't make any sort of habit out of it, but broad sweeping assumptions like "open limping the SB is retarded" just make you look like an idiot.

Just as an example, if you knew he was going to raise a ridiculous % of his range if you limped, and you knew that he was going to call and try to outplay you with a ridiculous % of his range if you raise, limp re-raising becomes very appealing alternative with strong hands.

Re: How to play when folded to on the sb against a good player?
 

OP,

I generally glance at his fold BB to steal % and base my opening range off of that.

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I'm limp/calling AA just as often as 79.

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You can't possibly be serious.

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By just raising the good hands in his range doesn't allow your opponent to exploit this strategy

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Letting him play medium pots with a huge range, in position, with initiative is like giving him free money. He'd have to be flat out terrible not to exploit this strategy mercilessly.

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If your opponent rarely 3bets I'm a fan of raising more hands out of the sb.

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This is obviously a very important consideration. But if he's three betting a lot, why in the hell are you limping AA?

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big jim I change my strategy up frequently.

I will definitely limp/call AA in the right situation. The right situation may be a bb who raises very frequently and overvalues the 'initiative' (which is really a make believe thing anyways).

against an opponent who 3bets a lot I would rather bet out with JJ+,AK.

The point is, I change my sb strategy a lot, one which works surprisingly well is limping my entire range. you can tell by some responses in this thread why it works so well. Many players play a raise/fold strategy preflop (not necessarily 3betting that often). This means that if I limp to the bb he will often raise with trash, and if I raise he will only call with a good range.

I can exploit this propensity to raise too frequently quite well by limping all the time. Actually, limping from the sb a lot works well against frequent 3bettors as well...but this is a little more complicated.