4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

Villain is 24/23/3.27 over 800 hands and has been 3betting light from the button. Have a note on him saying he 3bet's light in position

Hero is UTG+1

Thoughts on 4betting JJ with intention to fold to a shove pre? (imo he will shove AA, KK, QQ and probably AK) If you like the 4bet, hows the betsizing?

Or do you like a cold call more?

On the flop: Push? C/R AI? C/F?


No IQ poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button <font color="#C00000">Button ($201.75)</font>
SB ($39.30)
BB ($221.00)
UTG ($100.00)
UTG+1 <font color="#C00000">UTG+1 ($104.50)</font>

Hero/UTG+1 is dealt Js Jd

Preflop: , 1 fold, Hero raises to 4.00, Button raises to 12.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to 30.00, Button calls 22.00.

Flop (69.50) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero?

Thoughts appreciated, sorry for crappy converter

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

Are u saying that he will push the hands listed or is he capable of flat calling with them too? As a standard line id be c/f this flop, seems weak i suppose but if u bet your commited and your not going to be in good shape if the money goes in. Id have reraised more pre, prob to around $38.

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

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Thoughts on 4betting JJ with intention to fold to a shove pre?

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gross

u wanna 4bet hands your comfortable either snapcalling a shove or instafolding.

folding JJ if he's gonna be shoving AK is a huge boof

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

imo he wont flat AK or QQ, and ive never seen him flat AA or KK but doesnt mean it cant happen.

C/f is pretty weak tight isnt it?

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

Tbh i wouldnt have folded to a shove, his range is too much AK when he shoves.

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

c/f the flop btw

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imo he wont flat AK or QQ, and ive never seen him flat AA or KK but doesnt mean it cant happen.

C/f is pretty weak tight isnt it?

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well you cant really b/f, c/f is slightly better than c/c but not by much -- i dont 4bet this PF very often, it would have to be against a maniac to make it optimal i think

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

The man speaks the truth:

58,218,336 games 0.031 secs 1,878,010,838 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.190% 35.98% 00.21% 20947296 121978.00 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 63.810% 63.60% 00.21% 37027084 121978.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


Way too much equity to fold once you 4 bet. Your betsizing is good imo.

Re: 4bet JJ OOP against agressive button
 

Say we CC his flop bet, then it becomes an easy bet/fold?

Also, shouldnt he be bluffing this flop with basically whatever he got here with, and how many K's are in his range?

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Tbh i wouldnt have folded to a shove, his range is too much AK when he shoves.

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You realize we beat AK PF right?

*misread the post...nevermind.