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fozzy71 11-16-2007 02:02 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I've got direct position on a 60/3/1 at NL50 and we are both 300bbs+ deep. fingers crossed.

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didnt go so well. my set of 99s lost to his rivered Q2 flush. my TPTK lost to his rivered flush. embrace the variance.

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Sorry didnt mean to put the Hex on u. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

vixticator 11-16-2007 02:14 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
LOL my dad freaks out watching me play. WTF why did you raise and bet flop with nothing, "this is why you lose." heh

creamfillin 11-16-2007 02:25 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Here's an ancient hand I felt like posting.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($10.10)
Hero ($10.05)
BB ($4.70)
UTG ($10.20)
MP ($11.75)
CO ($10.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $10.3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $10 (All-In), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($20.20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($20.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($20.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $20.20

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks Ac (one pair, nines).
CO has Ah As (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: CO wins $20.45. </font>

Al_Money 11-16-2007 02:26 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I'm on a uNL posting spree tonight, lol.

ajmargarine 11-16-2007 02:30 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I'm on a uNL posting spree tonight, lol.

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hebel 11-16-2007 02:42 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
took a shot at nl25 tonight. Thought it was easier than nl10. People are way more aggressive and totally spewy. I will move up as soon as i grind out a decent roll after my cashout

vixticator 11-16-2007 02:45 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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took a shot at nl25 tonight. Thought it was easier than nl10. People are way more aggressive and totally spewy. I will move up as soon as i grind out a decent roll after my cashout

[/ QUOTE ]I thought so too initially. Still do to some extent. They are easier to read. Tend to go on more tilt though and bluff multiple streets too much. But, yeah, they are generally awful.

Hebel 11-16-2007 02:51 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($16.30)
SB ($42.80)
Hero ($35.45)
UTG ($26.10)
MP ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], 7[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]].
[color=Gray]3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.50) Q[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], J[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], 3[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.50) 5[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=Red]Hero bets $0.35</font>, SB calls $0.35.

River: ($1.20) J[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
[color=Red]SB bets $1</font>, [color=Red]Hero raises to $3.25</font>, [color=Red]SB raises to $7.25</font>, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $15.70

Results in white below:
SB has 8h 9c (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Jc 7s (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $15.70.

creamfillin 11-16-2007 02:53 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
10NL is funny because everyone seems to have a little random number generator in their head determining what sort play they're going to make next. So much donk betting, I really can't deal with that [censored].

vixticator 11-16-2007 03:21 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
LOL someone in chat typed, "I hate when people call knowing they are beat." Yes, that's certainly what you want lol.

vixticator 11-16-2007 05:42 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
This is sick I'm down to like final 4 tables of a 650+ person donkament with an M of ~1.5 and I never get opportunity to just shove cuz everyone is limping. edit: NM [censored] it I just shoved K7s over 3 limps and busto. Ah well. I cashed!

kroeliewoelie 11-16-2007 05:44 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Ok I destroyed some money:

1) KK&lt;34o on K425A board (okay I did slowplay the flop for the first time in my life)
2) KK &lt; T7 on 5279r board
3) K3&lt;94 on K9xr board
[x] villain 3bets light (94o)
[x] read: villain calls shoves with ATC
[x] read correct
[ ] profit
4) and more bad stuff.

vixticator 11-16-2007 05:48 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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[x] read correct
[ ] profit
[x] standard

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vixticator 11-16-2007 07:34 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Getting one outted in Omaha is yikes. I may have nightmares about that. 2% equity ftw imo.

john voight 11-16-2007 08:48 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
The Greatest uNL player known to man!!!


Arright guys, here is a phenom that I played with, all at NL30(deep):

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/356...5471614_rs.jpg

After concluding that he was the best player I have ever played with (besides greenplastic, muddy water, phil hellmuth, traheho and antonio)

Somoene told me he used to play NL400 or 200 or 600 or something.

Notes:
1. I had a nice suckout vs him here for maybe a 180$ pot
2. I coolered him really hard with an overset. Prolly for a 140$, IDK.

Take those two pots away, and he had virtually no (significant) lost pots. I'd like to say, the reason I think his rate is sustainable is b/c of the upward trend you see in the graph. Its as if he dosent need cards. He just knows the level well enough that he wins money at will. Picking up blinds, squeezing, making good reads, etc... I'm guessing if the graph was 100k hands it'd look the same.

@ least he is gone from NL30.
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ama0330 11-16-2007 10:15 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Dear John Voight,

Are you really John Voight?

http://upload.moldova.org/movie/acto...n_voight_1.jpg


Cause that would be cool.

Mr_Pathetic 11-16-2007 11:12 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
i present to you "how to decrease your AF while increasing your went2SD and won@SD.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $72.95
Hero (BTN): $25
SB: $28.50
BB: $13.05

Pre-Flop: Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, SB folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.25</font>, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($2.30) 8http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $0.50</font>, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($3.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

Results: $5.30 Pot ($0.25 Rake)
Hero showed Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (a pair of Fives) and WON $5.05 (+$2.45 NET)
BB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Fives) and LOST (-$2.60 NET)

thing85 11-16-2007 11:20 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Okay, so I'm trying to figure out how to counter people that 4bet when you have a decent hand. I'm running into this pretty often at 100NL and I tend to get lost (and generally change tables when I find this kind of play back at me often).

You're in the BB, villain is 21/19 and a very solid reg. with Att. Steal Blinds at ~35%. He open raises on the BTN for $4, you hold AQo and 3bet him to $13. He 4-bets you to $34. What do you do? You haven't played with this guy a ton but you've seen him make this play a few times already. Is shoving a reasonable option or can you get away from this hand? I realize that if this guy is 4betting light, shoving is definitely +EV, but I can't get myself to do it.

How do you people usually handle this? Also, I thought there was a sticky on 4betting, but I can't seem to find it.

corsakh 11-16-2007 11:26 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Very easy. Unless he 4bets light, he commits himself. He is effectively all in. You are the one deciding to put money in or not. Just catch him with the top of your range. I don't remember the exact math, but you need like to pick one spot in 8 being a 3 to 1 favorite to break even. Thats like AK vs AQ. Make it QQ vs JJ and you already show a good profit.

Mr_Pathetic 11-16-2007 11:29 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
have not been owned this hard in awhile. flop i knew didn't hit him and didn't think he could put what left of his money in with a 5 or a draw. obviously that read was wrong lol. should have just took the free card...

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $36.60
Hero (BB): $25
UTG: $10.05
CO: $12.05
BTN: $7.95

Pre-Flop: Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.70</font>, UTG folds, CO calls $1.45, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.15) Qhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3

Turn: ($10.15) 5http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.20</font>, CO calls $7.35 and is All-In

thing85 11-16-2007 11:40 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Very easy. Unless he 4bets light, he commits himself. He is effectively all in. You are the one deciding to put money in or not. Just catch him with the top of your range. I don't remember the exact math, but you need like to pick one spot in 8 being a 3 to 1 favorite to break even. Thats like AK vs AQ. Make it QQ vs JJ and you already show a good profit.

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Interesting. So you're saying my 5betAI range should be with QQ+ and AK? What you're saying though is that, for example, if I make this move 8 times with hands like QQ+, AK, I need to be a 3 to 1 favorite one of those times to break even?

whyzze 11-16-2007 12:13 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
thing, I think you need a read. Personally, if I am 3betting someone frequently, I have to keep lowering my 5bai range for when they finally take a stand. It sounds like you are on the brink of this range, maybe not just from your 3bets, but from others at the table as well.

Basically, when you have a read that he may be 4betting light, you should 3bet with the intent of a 5bai or calling a shove. If you cant do that with a particular holding, then you shouldn't 3bet imo.

thing85 11-16-2007 12:29 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Makes sense. Does a light 4bettor usually call a 5bAI? Or can he ever get away from it? (Assume ~pot sized 4bet)

whyzze 11-16-2007 12:33 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
depends...personnally, I think its bad to 4bet and fold ATC when you are 100bbs. I mean, he probably gets away from hands like Q10 and the like and some SCs. But his calling range is definately A10s+, 55+.

ShipitFMA 11-16-2007 12:35 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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im having fun railing this thread.

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are you laughing at me pouring my heart out whyzze?

whyzze 11-16-2007 12:38 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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im having fun railing this thread.

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are you laughing at me pouring my heart out whyzze?

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Not at all. Im excited to see how things turn out for whoever gets picked. Its all cool to hear all the poker stories and whatnot.

Id like to do what he is doing one day myself tbh. More of a staking/coaching offer when my game is ready.

I would apply, but i have basically moved up to SSNL.

bozzer 11-16-2007 12:40 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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im having fun railing this thread.

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are you laughing at me pouring my heart out whyzze?

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derosnec 11-16-2007 12:45 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
you're all ugly

ShipitFMA 11-16-2007 12:47 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
wanna bet?

PJo336 11-16-2007 12:48 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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you're all ugly

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[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
this seems more likely to be ur actual belief after that microbrew pic thread

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

thing85 11-16-2007 12:49 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I suck at HU poker but wanted to play some for fun so I did a $5.25 HU SnG. I suck badly, playing some combo of weak/tight LAG (if you can make ANY sense of that). However, this guy was way worse and open folded about 3 flops and 1 river. To boot, we built up a decent sized pot on a AKKAA board (2 hearts on the first A and K), and by the river, I shoved (with something like Q8o) and he folded. Obviously he put me on the 4th ace...

Wow, this must be what it's like to play 5NL.

thing85 11-16-2007 12:51 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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you're all ugly

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Thickly veiled way of trying to say that he has man-love for people here but doesn't want them knowing.

derosnec 11-16-2007 12:53 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
tomorrow is saturday. a day when the tourney donks visit our cash games. i'm going to start doing yoga and deep breathing exercises tonight to prepare for the insanity that will happen tomorrow.

wingchunflush 11-16-2007 01:03 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Daoistic reverse breathing for the win sir

derosnec 11-16-2007 01:05 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Daoistic reverse breathing for the win sir

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freaky

from wikipedia:

Reverse Breathing is a choking technique associated with yoga and qigong. It consists of expanding the abdomen while breathing out through the nose, and then compressing it while inhaling via the mouth

wingchunflush 11-16-2007 01:14 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
correct it keeps tension in your stomach so your always able to take a hit in your stomach, I learned it in kung fu, when you breath in think about it coming in from your nose and down the front of your body and at the peak of your breath think about it sitting in your Dan Tien wich is bascially where your taint is, then when you breath out think of your breath going up your spine through your brain and then down and out of your nose...this is also how you have tantric sex/multiple orgasms

derosnec 11-16-2007 01:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
more wikipedia. i find it interesting


In martial arts, a practitioner would deliver a technique on an in breath so an attack would be absorbed by an empty chest or lungs. This makes the martial artist more resilient to attacks.

Spurious 11-16-2007 01:36 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $10
Hero (MP): $11.20
CO: $4.50
BTN: $6.50
SB: $9.85
BB: $4.80

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.60</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $0.60, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.95) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, Hero calls $0.50, BTN folds

River: ($2.95) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.90</font>, Hero calls $0.90

Results: $4.75 Pot ($0.20 Rake)
UTG showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $4.55 (+$2.55 NET)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and LOST (-$2 NET)


Where should i fold?

whyzze 11-16-2007 01:36 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
preflop

ajmargarine 11-16-2007 01:39 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
River.


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