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GAL 10-24-2007 09:58 AM

Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
I was multi tabling when this hand came up and the play I chose isn't the one I prefer, is there a standard line here?

Prima Poker skin
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $226.58
UTG+1: $236.00
CO: $89.55
Button: $639.69
hero: $261.25
BB: $20.04

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $10</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($58, 5 players)

iggymcfly 10-24-2007 10:08 AM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
I'd check and reevaluate here. BB's going to push his last $10 in no matter what, so you can check and get the advantage of seeing what the other players do before making a decision.

GAL 10-24-2007 10:10 AM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
That was part of my thoughts, my relative position is the button.

Grandezza 10-24-2007 12:30 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
I think completing the small blind preflop is fine but I definitely fold once it's back to me.

CrushinFelt 10-24-2007 12:44 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
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I'd check and reevaluate here. BB's going to push his last $10 in no matter what, so you can check and get the advantage of seeing what the other players do before making a decision.

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I mainly would choose this because the more $ in the pot the better

wazz 10-24-2007 12:57 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
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I think completing the small blind preflop is fine but I definitely fold once it's back to me.

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Grandezza 10-24-2007 01:15 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
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I think completing the small blind preflop is fine but I definitely fold once it's back to me.

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lol I guess I'm off here. Just thought you could get in some trouble here, you're hoping to flop a flush draw or a straight. straight won't be the nuts a lot of the time.

OrrLives 10-24-2007 01:29 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
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I think completing the small blind preflop is fine but I definitely fold once it's back to me.

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lol I guess I'm off here. Just thought you could get in some trouble here, you're hoping to flop a flush draw or a straight. straight won't be the nuts a lot of the time.

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Oftentimes I will let a hand like this go in the SB, but I would call this preflop in this situation because:
(1) a lot of money in the pot
(2) your calling completes the action
(3) you can go for a big check raise on the whole field (if you hit the flop) since the BB is almost certainly going to push on the flop
(4) if the BB pushes and no one raises, you will be getting good odds to draw to a straight or flush on the flop (assuming that you get one on the flop).

GAL 10-24-2007 03:28 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
My relative position and getting 5/1 is why I called this PF after the raise.

GAL 10-24-2007 03:59 PM

Re: Lead, C/R or CC this multi way pot OOP?
 
O.K. I checked, I thought about leading this flop for a couple of reasons
1) I have the nut flush draw, 1 of the 5s and 2x6s this really cuts down on the number of drawing hands the other players can have, someone would be really lucky to have 456 here with a flush draw and even if they do i'm crushing them, unless they have this http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3831270
pokenum -o 5s 6c 6d ad - 4h 5d 6h 7d -- 2d 3d 7h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3d 2d 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 6c Ad 6d 267 32.56 485 59.15 68 8.29 0.367
7d 5d 6h 4h 485 59.15 267 32.56 68 8.29 0.633


Amazing to see how having just a pair changes the equity in this hand

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3831273
pokenum -o 5s 6c 6d ad - 4h 5d 6h kd -- 2d 3d 7h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 3d 2d 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 6c Ad 6d 491 59.88 256 31.22 73 8.90 0.643
Kd 5d 6h 4h 256 31.22 491 59.88 73 8.90 0.357

Anyway I decided to use my position as I'm not to good with PLO equities and don't know if my hand can stand a raise

** Dealing the flop: 3 of Diamonds, 2 of Diamonds, 7 of Hearts
hero checked
Huge_Man went all-in - $10.04
kryckanII folded
kpik raised - $90.12
KesacoPhedo went all-in - $77.55
hero??

My notes and reads on Kpik say he will not bet BTM 2 in a multi way pot I don't know how accurate they are but I put him on a draw top 2 or a set, so that makes this a call right?


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