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loosbastard 12-01-2007 02:35 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
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check raise.

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I agree...but when they check behind w/ a small flush it really really tilts me.

goofyballer 12-01-2007 02:35 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
I might c/r AI, once he minraises turn when it's hard for him to have any kind of draw (thus his range is, like, good hands) and as far as donks are concerned that's as blank as rivers get. Thus, I think he'll bet.

rsxpunk 12-01-2007 02:42 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
counting on him to bet is bad imo. he's a donk just shove.

my1ifesavins 12-01-2007 03:03 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
what hands is villain value betting that he's not calling a shove?

Fonkey123 12-01-2007 03:06 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
Jesus oh my God Christ SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!!!

bilbo-san 12-01-2007 03:23 AM

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seirously? why? If we are betting then this lets him off really cheap.

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i think hes probably picking a # based on the line and pot size and villain that he think the guy will call. if you think he'll call a shove, then shove sir.

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This tilts me. Shove.

It isn't about how often he will call. It's about the EV of a bet.

10% of a $100 bet = 100% of a $10 bet.

Grandezza 12-01-2007 03:40 AM

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what hands is villain value betting that he's not calling a shove?

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None I think. I actually think that if he somehow got there with an A he's more likely to call a shove thinking your line looks like missed nut flush draw or something than betting that A.

Shoving>c/ring>betting half pot because if you bet half pot he might just call with something like trips where as if you C/R you get his whole stack..

nazahl 12-01-2007 03:49 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
CRAI pretty sure its not even close

my1ifesavins 12-01-2007 03:53 AM

Re: Fill up on river, shove or check?
 
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CRAI pretty sure its not even close

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for what reason? villain will never be bluffing and u really think that his v-bet range is wider than his range for calling a shove? if so examples plz.

nazahl 12-01-2007 04:07 AM

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CRAI pretty sure its not even close

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for what reason? villain will never be bluffing and u really think that his v-bet range is wider than his range for calling a shove? if so examples plz.

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what are you putting villain on after the turn action?


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