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fees 11-20-2007 10:24 AM

NFD facing flop c/r
 
I think this situation happens fairly frequently, what should be my default?

This hand happened 1-2 weeks ago so I can't really remember the game dynamic, I was likely playing 22-20ish, very aggressive. This guy might have been on one-two of my tables but we didn't have history, I remember he was very taggy and didn't call alot preflop, probably something like 21/19 or 19/17. I didn't have a big enough sample to check flop c/r but he has never done this before. Notice that we have eff stacks of like $500 if that changes anything. Villains name is snappo on ftp.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $69.55
fees: $483.80
CO: $828.80
Button: $759.25
SB: $697.10
BB: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) fees is UTG+1 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">fees raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">fees bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $88</font>, <font color="#cc0000">fees </font>

Jinx 11-20-2007 10:25 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
3 town ldo

Praetor 11-20-2007 10:27 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
i make it like $215

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-20-2007 10:39 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
be4 i even saw the post i knew the answer would be to 3 bet

Praetor 11-20-2007 10:40 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
sick read

fees 11-20-2007 10:56 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
mk, what made the hand interesting to me was the stack sizes. With given information how much do you want to have behind to just call, if ever. If you never call this raise, what size eff stacks do you 3b/fold (which is gross imo)

Knock*u*down 11-20-2007 11:07 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
Imho this raise is not very smart for a numer of reasons. First you are over 100 deep do you really thinks he goes crazy with a midpair on this board oop with the high inverse implied odds, dont think so?. Second since he is tight and calls less likely with hands like KJs u are many many times up against a set drawing semidead. Giving hjim the tight range and assuming he is not going crazy with a midpair for the reasons stated before.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,830 games 0.005 secs 3,366,000 games/sec

Board: 2c 8c 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.301% 38.30% 00.00% 6446 0.00 { Ac3c }
Hand 1: 61.699% 61.70% 00.00% 10384 0.00 { TT-88, 22, KcQc, QcJc }


To me u only thinks " nah have overcard and nfd stick it in what the hell"

therockofgibraltar 11-20-2007 11:16 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
does being in position mean anything? 3b oop/call ip = bad? that is what I would do....

AcTiOnJaCsOn 11-20-2007 11:29 AM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
[ QUOTE ]
Imho this raise is not very smart for a numer of reasons. First you are over 100 deep do you really thinks he goes crazy with a midpair on this board oop with the high inverse implied odds, dont think so?. Second since he is tight and calls less likely with hands like KJs u are many many times up against a set drawing semidead. Giving hjim the tight range and assuming he is not going crazy with a midpair for the reasons stated before.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,830 games 0.005 secs 3,366,000 games/sec

Board: 2c 8c 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.301% 38.30% 00.00% 6446 0.00 { Ac3c }
Hand 1: 61.699% 61.70% 00.00% 10384 0.00 { TT-88, 22, KcQc, QcJc }


To me u only thinks " nah have overcard and nfd stick it in what the hell"

[/ QUOTE ]
lol its nothing new that a flush draw is behind someones range if called. But people fold sometimes........

Knock*u*down 11-20-2007 02:03 PM

Re: NFD facing flop c/r
 
no idea if that is funny pokerstove should olny show that he is way behind. So please give a range of hands a player as described in the hand description raises and then folds. I am curious


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