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SDone 11-13-2007 04:51 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Ahhh! Now I remember why I don't play donkaments!!

bravos1 11-13-2007 04:55 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
OK.. so looking at my NL stats I feel like a total uber nit.
I've played primarily limit for the past few years and have FR stats of ~22/12 and 6m stats of ~28/20.

I included my 25NL FR stats because my 6max stats are even tighter [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. I'm guessing in FR I'm stealing more from the nits and getting to over limp more w/ small PPs and suited broadways at times???

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4829/nlshotdd0.jpg

thoughts?

Wilpro 11-13-2007 05:13 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Dropped 4 buyins in my last 1000 hands, taking my bankroll down to just over $200, should i be moving back to 10nl? I am a decent winner at 10nl, but just can't seem to beat 25nl whenever i try. I know the hand size isn't big for 25nl, and maybe it's just variance dropping buyins, but i don't want to go broke finding out.
How do other people cope with running absolute crap when they move up and losing 1/3 of their rolls?

wingchunflush 11-13-2007 05:16 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Is he calling to evaluate turn?


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $3.13
Hero (BTN): $14.12
SB: $4.75
BB: $11.23
UTG: $6.48

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.05, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB folds

Results: $6.60 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $6.30 (+$3.05 NET)


Well.. he made the right evaluation..
The key to unlimited hold them is putting a man to a decision for all his chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have raised the piss out of this weak ass bet.

Gelford 11-13-2007 05:18 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Dropped 4 buyins in my last 1000 hands, taking my bankroll down to just over $200, should i be moving back to 10nl? I am a decent winner at 10nl, but just can't seem to beat 25nl whenever i try. I know the hand size isn't big for 25nl, and maybe it's just variance dropping buyins, but i don't want to go broke finding out.
How do other people cope with running absolute crap when they move up and losing 1/3 of their rolls?

[/ QUOTE ]


Yep time to move down ... you can move up again once you hit 350 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

fozzy71 11-13-2007 05:19 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Dropped 4 buyins in my last 1000 hands, taking my bankroll down to just over $200, should i be moving back to 10nl? I am a decent winner at 10nl, but just can't seem to beat 25nl whenever i try. I know the hand size isn't big for 25nl, and maybe it's just variance dropping buyins, but i don't want to go broke finding out.
How do other people cope with running absolute crap when they move up and losing 1/3 of their rolls?

[/ QUOTE ]

[ ] BR Management

Drop down to nl10, until you get back to near $500ish.

*Edit - I know Gelford - I am such a BR Nit. I am getting ready for my first shots at Stars NL25. Hope it is as easy as NL10 has been at stars.

Stars (w/o RB) &gt; Full Tilt (w/ RB) IMO

bravos1 11-13-2007 05:19 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Is he calling to evaluate turn?


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $3.13
Hero (BTN): $14.12
SB: $4.75
BB: $11.23
UTG: $6.48

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.05, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB folds

Results: $6.60 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $6.30 (+$3.05 NET)


Well.. he made the right evaluation..
The key to unlimited hold them is putting a man to a decision for all his chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have raised the piss out of this weak ass bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

and how would you have done that? Hero bet villain's entire remaining stack..lol

wingchunflush 11-13-2007 05:22 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
man that was going to be a solid smartass comment damn me for not reading stack sizes

Wilpro 11-13-2007 05:24 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Dropped 4 buyins in my last 1000 hands, taking my bankroll down to just over $200, should i be moving back to 10nl? I am a decent winner at 10nl, but just can't seem to beat 25nl whenever i try. I know the hand size isn't big for 25nl, and maybe it's just variance dropping buyins, but i don't want to go broke finding out.
How do other people cope with running absolute crap when they move up and losing 1/3 of their rolls?

[/ QUOTE ]

[ ] BR Management

Drop down to nl10, until you get back to near $500ish.

[/ QUOTE ]

Beat 10nl for over 10ptbb/100 over 20k hands on stars, withdrew all money, then deposited some on FTP to start playing 25nl and get promotion+rakeback. Just feels like i run like absolute crap, everyone is really aggro at me and i never seem to have the goods. Guess i am just feeling tilted, now just need to move my roll back to stars, 10nl on FTP has rediculous rake!

monkover 11-13-2007 05:30 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[censored] i just took another shot at 200nl ran like crap, played like crap! Its kind of a miracle i only dropped like 300$... My poker career sucks... Everytime i get to 200nl I either go on crazy monkey tilt or run like [censored]. maybe im not destined to win...

thac 11-13-2007 05:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[censored] i just took another shot at 200nl ran like crap, played like crap! Its kind of a miracle i only dropped like 300$... My poker career sucks... Everytime i get to 200nl I either go on crazy monkey tilt or run like [censored]. maybe im not destined to win...

[/ QUOTE ]

You're a nit. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

DennisGPunkt 11-13-2007 05:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Yeaha, another 3 hour session at 25NL 20 tabling and went up about 11 BI.

[img=http://thumbnails.imajr.com/runninggoood_465815.JPG]

def. deserved this after grinding 10k hands for about half a BI.

And yes, I'm a nit!

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Wilpro 11-13-2007 05:35 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Yeaha, another 3 hour session at 25NL 20 tabling and went up about 11 BI.

[img=http://thumbnails.imajr.com/runninggoood_465815.JPG]

def. deserved this after grinding 10k hands for about half a BI.

And yes, I'm a nit!

[img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]


[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Micro Donk 11-13-2007 05:35 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Is he calling to evaluate turn?


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $3.13
Hero (BTN): $14.12
SB: $4.75
BB: $11.23
UTG: $6.48

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.05, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB folds

Results: $6.60 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $6.30 (+$3.05 NET)


Well.. he made the right evaluation..
The key to unlimited hold them is putting a man to a decision for all his chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have raised the piss out of this weak ass bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

and how would you have done that? Hero bet villain's entire remaining stack..lol

[/ QUOTE ]

by saying "all in" while pushing the chips in, hoping he will become intimidated enough to throw it away

DennisGPunkt 11-13-2007 05:41 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Dropped 4 buyins in my last 1000 hands, taking my bankroll down to just over $200, should i be moving back to 10nl? I am a decent winner at 10nl, but just can't seem to beat 25nl whenever i try. I know the hand size isn't big for 25nl, and maybe it's just variance dropping buyins, but i don't want to go broke finding out.
How do other people cope with running absolute crap when they move up and losing 1/3 of their rolls?

[/ QUOTE ]



you shouldn't be playing 25NL until you have atleast 500$. If you play underrolled you play scared and you lose your confidence which mostly results in trying to play different and this leads to playing bad. stay at 10NL till you feel really prepared and rolled for 25NL.

fozzy71 11-13-2007 05:42 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I seem to run WAY better at stars than at FTP. Hopefully I run as god at nl25 stars, as I have been on nl10.

The rake at FT NL10 is sick, even with RB. I cashed out my FT account from 4 figures to less than $50 balance now. Partly cuz I wanted the $, and partly cuz I was hatin FT. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I am trying to start over (for the 7th time) building a BR. My stars BR was started entirely with payments/donations for my Stars/Tilt Mod's. I havent deposited a single $1. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Nemesis69 11-13-2007 05:43 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Lol this dude just openshoved for 1.5 pot into my quad kings with ace high SHIP IT HOLLAAAAA

ama0330 11-13-2007 05:45 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
No good tables on FT tonight [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $61.20
BB: $60.25
UTG: $51.10
MP: $49.25
CO: $150.15
BTN: $57.95

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $4, BTN folds

Flop: ($11.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG calls $8

Turn: ($27.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $27.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48.20 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $10.60 and is All-In

River: ($103.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $103.70 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $100.70 (+$49.60 NET)
UTG showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$51.10 NET)

Nemesis69 11-13-2007 06:04 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Looks like NL50 is easier then NL10 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

+5BI today, makes up for my bad sessions yesterday and the day before.

wingchunflush 11-13-2007 06:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Is he calling to evaluate turn?


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $3.13
Hero (BTN): $14.12
SB: $4.75
BB: $11.23
UTG: $6.48

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.05, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.25</font>, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB calls $2

Turn: ($6.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB folds

Results: $6.60 Pot ($0.30 Rake)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and WON $6.30 (+$3.05 NET)


Well.. he made the right evaluation..
The key to unlimited hold them is putting a man to a decision for all his chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have raised the piss out of this weak ass bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

and how would you have done that? Hero bet villain's entire remaining stack..lol

[/ QUOTE ]

by saying "all in" while pushing the chips in, hoping he will become intimidated enough to throw it away

[/ QUOTE ]

IM ARRRRRRRRRRRRR IN MAN...(insert souther texas accent that I had at every local card room here in texas)

bsball8806 11-13-2007 06:16 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Lol this dude just openshoved for 1.5 pot into my quad kings with ace high SHIP IT HOLLAAAAA

[/ QUOTE ]

that was me [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

wingchunflush 11-13-2007 06:16 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
lol ^^

yellowbluebus 11-13-2007 06:18 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
OK.. so looking at my NL stats I feel like a total uber nit.
I've played primarily limit for the past few years and have FR stats of ~22/12 and 6m stats of ~28/20.

I included my 25NL FR stats because my 6max stats are even tighter [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. I'm guessing in FR I'm stealing more from the nits and getting to over limp more w/ small PPs and suited broadways at times???

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4829/nlshotdd0.jpg

thoughts?

[/ QUOTE ]

You attempt to steal is a little low. You might want to post your stats by position in the Stats thread. BTW, I remember you from my limit micro stakes playing days.

derosnec 11-13-2007 06:24 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
after two responded to my call for tilt intervention, i cooled down, realized i had leaks, and i tightened up alot in the blinds. plus i ran hot (always important). small sample, but every little bit helps, since i'm fragile

moral of the story: uNL tilt intervention really works



http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8201/13675210gr4.jpg

Nemesis69 11-13-2007 06:26 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
ama pro hugger ftw

wingchunflush 11-13-2007 06:30 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
i need mucho hugs i dropped 3 buy ins this morning BUGGGHHHHHHH HUGGGGGG MEEEEEEEEEEEE

MrWooster 11-13-2007 07:27 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Just lost 4 BI at 25NL [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] (see BBV thread) looks like its going to be back to 10NL for the rest of the month

well named 11-13-2007 07:41 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Dearest brewers, please critique my thinking as offered in this post.

I keep going back and forth with myself about these kinds of roughly similar situations. In the end of course the only real answer is to to have a better read but I'm curious whether you (a more experienced player) would consider my thought process to be along the right lines.

(I just want someone to argue with me because I like to argue :P)

billip62 11-13-2007 07:46 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
lol if I drop another BI or two I'm definately going to have to get some tilt intervention. 8 BI is roughly where by play goes to total crap.

ShipitFMA 11-13-2007 07:55 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
My MTT journey begins today lads, wish me luck

dawade 11-13-2007 07:57 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
My MTT journey begins today lads, wish me luck

[/ QUOTE ]

Good luck. See you around in about a month.

andy099 11-13-2007 07:57 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
My MTT journey begins today lads, wish me luck

[/ QUOTE ]

gl, ur gona need it. Tournies are the most infuriating think ever imo except for the one time you luckbox the big one. gl

ShipitFMA 11-13-2007 07:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
coaching ftw^^ and ta

creamfillin 11-13-2007 08:02 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
went to the grand canyon this week.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...randcanyon.jpg

ShipitFMA 11-13-2007 08:07 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Decided to play for 20 mins before going to a mates

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $80.45
SB: $53.15
Hero (BB): $50.75
UTG: $18.45
MP: $33.45
CO: $114.15

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($6) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3.50, MP folds

Turn: ($13) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8

River: ($29) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $19.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $39.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $17.75 and is All-In

Results: $103.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Tens) and LOST (-$50.75 NET)
Hero showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Queen high) and WON $100.50 (+$49.75 NET)

HBomb 11-13-2007 08:48 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
lol @ creamfillin, nice graph, that has to be the closest one yet to a Canyon graph

PJo336 11-13-2007 08:51 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9127/wwll6.jpg

lololol i think id have less variance playing lolmahahaha

and by variance i mean grinding up then dumping off money on crap

thac 11-13-2007 08:54 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
lol 13 days

PJo336 11-13-2007 08:57 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
HEY THAC THIS IS WHY IM HOT

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($10.99)
Hero ($27.43)
BB ($19.30)
UTG ($11.28)
MP ($14.55)
CO ($10.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.5</font>, BB calls $0.50, Button folds.

Turn: ($1.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: $2.75

PJo336 11-13-2007 08:58 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
if theres any interest im willing to bite the bullet and post the absolute WORST played hand ever by a 2+2er


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