$200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

What's the best line to take on these types of rivers with long-term profit in mind?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($200)
UTG ($319.85)
MP ($139.20)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($185.10)</font>
<font color="#C00000">SB ($159.55)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($18) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8.

Turn: ($34) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, SB calls $8.

River: ($50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

I hate your turn bet so much I cant comment on the river

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

turn is so gross.

as played, make it $60 for value.

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

just shove river. turn is godawful.

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

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I hate your turn bet so much I cant comment on the river

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What is your reasoning for the 8 dollar turn bet? You mentioned long-term profit, I think your reducing ur EV astronomically doing this.

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

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Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

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Because your losing a lot of value on the river as well as turn. If he was re-raising monster amounts over small bets it would be different. I think You should have bet like 20 on turn, and then like 40-60 on river. Whatever you think you will get called with. Nobodys flaming you, just try and maximize value next time. Also, if you want to show weakness, why not check-raise or check call, then valuebet the river? But, the small bet on turn, then monster re-raise allin on river screeeeeeeeeeeeams I have the nuts

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

because you have a FH and you want to play a big pot. the only way to play a big pot is to put as much money in as you can.

heck, even cbet more on the flop ($10-12). bet the turn for about $25, he's only going to play if he a)has a jack b) has 77+ (overpairs discounted due to pf).

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

12 as a standard c-bet.
34 because hopefully he has a J or a slowplayed OP...neither is folding obv
shove because we got this far. yay for building a pot and getting his stack
gg villain rebuy please

Re: $200NL 6-Max - Valuetown or shove the river?
 

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Why is intentionally showing weakness on the turn so bad here?

I'm posting to get educated not flamed guys. Tell me why it's so awful. Thanks.

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Because your losing a lot of value on the river as well as turn. If he was re-raising monster amounts over small bets it would be different. I think You should have bet like 20 on turn, and then like 40-60 on river. Whatever you think you will get called with. Nobodys flaming you, just try and maximize value next time. Also, if you want to show weakness, why not check-raise or check call, then valuebet the river? But, the small bet on turn, then monster re-raise allin on river screeeeeeeeeeeeams I have the nuts

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how can he cc or cr when he is last to act?

You bet $20+ on turn (Id bet 25) because the way the board is if he has a jack he will call 25 just as easily as he will call 8. This makes your river decision a lot easier when the pot is bigger because valuetown IS shoving the river.