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stopped into my local card room to play a couple of hours of poker after work and this hand came up...

MP villian was schneids and the LP villian was someone i dont know ( seemed to be playing stright poker for the most part)
this hand came up abt 20-30 min into my seesion (maybe?)

schneids opens in MP, button cold calls, i call in the bb with QTo.

flop comes T7x ... i check, MP bets, BT calls, i c/r, schneids 3b and now the button 4 bets? we both call.

turn was a J i believe and it checks around?

river is a blank and it checks around again?

just wondering what ppl think abt calling 2 cold on the flop and then not betting the river?

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Re: cp 30
 

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just wondering what ppl think abt calling 2 cold on the flop...

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How about if we talk about the preflop call instead? I see domination in one's future with a hand like QTo after an expert openraises in MP and an ABC player coldcalls on the button.

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just wondering what ppl think abt calling 2 cold on the flop...

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How about if we talk about the preflop call instead? I see domination in one's future with a hand like QTo after an expert openraises in MP and an ABC player coldcalls on the button.

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It would take an act of God for me to fold this hand preflop.

Re: cp 30
 

A note regarding the hand you didn't mention was it was ~6 handed game, so my MP raise is UTG+1 and I believe the other guy called from the button. It was approx that anyway.

Also, when you were saying the red head to my left looked familiar from somewhere, he is Bicyclekick from 2p2. Maybe you recognize him cuz of that somehow?

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Sounds like a great 30 game a CP... lol.

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Was there a flush draw on the flop? I can't figure out what this guy would call/cap w/that he wouldn't bet on the turn. The river might be a bet fold, but I don't want to give schneids a chance to outplay me here so I would cc here

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Was there a flush draw on the flop? I can't figure out what this guy would call/cap w/that he wouldn't bet on the turn. The river might be a bet fold, but I don't want to give schneids a chance to outplay me here so I would cc here

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I dont think Schneids would try to make GBL fold the river for 1bet.

Re: cp 30
 

I think the flop is the street that needs the most discussion here.

The river IMO is an easy check as I doubt you are winning this hand very often. When the button checks the turn I narrow his range to TPTK(on the flop) and a slightly discounted two pair concerned about the draw coming in for Hero. Schneids can't bet the river because he is either holding AK,TP or an overpair that may still be behind buttons hand. When button checks the river I'd be surprised to see a lost value bet with two pair as I think it's obvious that would be the best hand. I expect him to turn over AT that obviously can't bet agaisnt Schneids possible overpair.

Going back to the flop and calling two cold. I think it's fairly close, but I don't know how this game plays. In my games I could probably fold.

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I reallylreallyelrelaallllyyy doubt Schneids is checking a better hand than QT here.Button's play makes no sense on any street except probably the river.

I can't bet the river with your hand.

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I dont think we should bet the river either. What is more interesting is if it gets checked back to the button on the river and he bets, should you call?

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I think you played the hand fine. I agree with PBob that it would take an act of congress or God for me to lay this hand down in a 6 handed limit game from the BB. As far as the call two cold on the flop, I don't see any reason to not call the cap here. (BTW I thought CP was a bet and 4 raises?)

I am struggling to understand the button's play here. Unless you missed the fact that there is a flush draw on the board, or possibly the x card in the flop was important as well. It's possible that maybe the x was a 4 and the button flopped a double gutshot, with a hand like 6-8s I think that most likely you are ahead of Schneids here, but not certain about the button. My guess is that Schneids has a missed A-Q or A-K and the button here has the same hand as you or a 9-10, possibly the missed 6-8s.

The check on the end is the play b/c you can't make much more plus you want to see how the river play develops...

All in all I am going to guess you chopped the pot, with the button...

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schneids never beats you here, figuring out what the other guy has is that hard part

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I should've said it in my first post but I wasn't really thinking much, the flop was definitely T53 with a flush draw. Turn J. River 3. I am 100% confident this is the right board (flush draw not quite 100% about, I'm also thinking it may have hit on the river, and also thinking there wasn't even one, so yeah I can't really remember) because I remember:
a) debating if I had a river value bet but deciding against it because I didn't know enough about your play and I thought getting to for sure see what you have was worth more than betting what I had which I thought was close to 40-50% to being the best hand vs both of you after the turn action and your river check.
b) deciding the button had to have A2, A4 or 67 (after he checked the river... I am pretty sure he raises the flop the first time with a flush draw on that board if he has one).

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Why wouldn't we bet the river, given the turn action? Seems like we liked our hand enough to call two cold on the flop and things didn't appear to worsen as the cards came. Does button really have A10 and not bet the turn...I don't think so.

For the record, I probably would have folded to the flop 4 bet because Schneids is a God who absolutely must have a better hand than me and there is no way that my hand could ever improve enough to beat his holding.