Fun w/ 44
 

Bellagio 30-60.

UTG is brand new to the game, and posts. He is in his mid 20s, looks like a douchebag retard, and has his girlfriend sitting behind him. Before the cards were being dealt I would have been willing to bet my whole bankroll he would turn out to be the biggest losing player at the table. SB is Emmy, a small winning player who hates me. She is mildly aggressive - more so against me than almost any other - but shows up in raised pots regularly with dominated hands.

Preflop
UTG checks, folded to The Dude who raises on the button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB 3bets, BB folds, UTG 4bets. The Dude calls, already planning on raising a lot of flops. SB calls.

Flop: (13 SBs) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 Players)</font>
SB checks, BB bets.

How's this flop look? How far are we willing to go?

Re: Fun w/ 44
 

Looks good enough to call and see what Emmy does in my opinion. I'd prefer to raise the turn than the flop here and get some more legit info, still you might have to show down against UTG no matter what given the read and his awesome preflop play.

-DeathDonkey

ps: douchebag retards with girls sweating them who post UTG and do this ridiculous limp reraise thing seem to get premium hands WAY more often than they should. You should definitely consider turning a 4 as retribution.

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ps: douchebag retards with girls sweating them who post UTG and do this ridiculous limp reraise thing seem to get premium hands WAY more often than they should. You should definitely consider turning a 4 as retribution.


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That's the expert play no doubt. I just don't know if the dude is that good yet.

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i dont think you can go deep with this hand at all.i think easy fold. utg has a big hand. and if he doesnt you still dont have a good chance to win this hand without hitting another 4

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fold. dont tell anyone im a nit though.

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Dude - this flop hits UTG's range as much as b-way would. Emmy doesn't fold, she is river bound with overcards before making decisions. I think you should look to your right and call one card if Emmy looks like a dear in headlights. I hate to say it but I think we might be looking to improve on the turn or fold, it feels weak tight but its probably better than raising the turn.

And don't take it personally, Emmy hates every player that is better than she is and doesnt play the way she expects them to.

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Before the cards were being dealt I would have been willing to bet my whole bankroll he would turn out to be the biggest losing player at the table.

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I &lt;3 you, TheDude.

But I fold this flop myself. Barring that, I like DD's plan.

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Before the cards were being dealt I would have been willing to bet my whole bankroll he would turn out to be the biggest losing player at the table.

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I &lt;3 you, TheDude.

But I fold this flop myself. Barring that, I like DD's plan.

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he is getting at least 15:1 (Emmy doesn't fold overcards), still has the button, and can easily make up 4-6 SB due to his implied odds on the next street. I can't fold if I think Emmy is just calling, the pot is large enough to spike a 4. plus the meta value of catching that card is fantastic... you will get tons of action.

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Before the cards were being dealt I would have been willing to bet my whole bankroll he would turn out to be the biggest losing player at the table.

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I &lt;3 you, TheDude.

But I fold this flop myself. Barring that, I like DD's plan.

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he is getting at least 15:1 (Emmy doesn't fold overcards), still has the button, and can easily make up 4-6 SB due to his implied odds on the next street. I can't fold if I think Emmy is just calling, the pot is large enough to spike a 4. plus the meta value of catching that card is fantastic... you will get tons of action.

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well it is close, but it is not really 15:1 because of the times that emmy raises and you pay 2 bets or the times that emmy raises and UTG 3bets.

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Before the cards were being dealt I would have been willing to bet my whole bankroll he would turn out to be the biggest losing player at the table.

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I &lt;3 you, TheDude.

But I fold this flop myself. Barring that, I like DD's plan.

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he is getting at least 15:1 (Emmy doesn't fold overcards), still has the button, and can easily make up 4-6 SB due to his implied odds on the next street. I can't fold if I think Emmy is just calling, the pot is large enough to spike a 4. plus the meta value of catching that card is fantastic... you will get tons of action.

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well it is close, but it is not really 15:1 because of the times that emmy raises and you pay 2 bets or the times that emmy raises and UTG 3bets.

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The Dude will know if Emmy is about to raise if he is only slightly observant, it will be obvious. If he suspects a raise then I agree in the muck we go. Emmy is.... obvious.

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"douchebag retards with girls sweating them who post UTG and do this ridiculous limp reraise thing seem to get premium hands WAY more often than they should."

They also don't fold before the river too often, and not on the river that much either. I'd put $30 on the hard four.

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The Dude will know if Emmy is about to raise if he is only slightly observant, it will be obvious.

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You make it sound like she's 100% reliable to give away her action, and this isn't even close to being true.

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I'd put $30 on the hard four.

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Assuming The Dude calls and Emmy calls, what turn cards should The Dude not be folding?

What am I missing?
 

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Bellagio 30-60.

Preflop
SB 3bets, BB folds,
Flop:
SB checks, BB bets.


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I'd put $30 on the hard four.

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Assuming The Dude calls and Emmy calls, what turn cards should The Dude not be folding?

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3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, J maybe something like that ? I certainly dislike 8,T,Q,K,A. I'm really guessing here.

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The Dude will know if Emmy is about to raise if he is only slightly observant, it will be obvious.

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You make it sound like she's 100% reliable to give away her action, and this isn't even close to being true.

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of course not 100% reliable, but if you have any insight that she is raising then you can get out. Emmy has two modes, clearly obvious and non-expressive - catch her during clearly obvious mode at the right time and you will know that she is raising. I rarely play live now but i played with her a ton earlier this year.

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Of course there will be times when I can catch that she's going to raise, and of course I can fold then. But when she's not giving anything away I can't take that as a sign that she is going to raise.

Don't make retarded comments like The Dude will know if Emmy is about to raise if he is only slightly observant, it will be obvious when the truth is very different. Your comment, to everyone that hasn't played with her, makes it sound like she gives away her action every time, and that that makes this decision super easy.

Re: What am I missing?
 

Should be UTG bets.

Re: What am I missing?
 

new location &amp; avatar are dudical.

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new location &amp; avatar are dudical.

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haha I dunno, the avatar is the anti-dude

Re: Fun w/ 44
 

more importantly, is this douchebag's girlfriend remotely good looking? because if she's hot then i might try to win this hand out of spite! if she is just meh, let those two have a free pass and play this hand conservatively. the board is really coordinated and even if your hand is best they probably have more than half the deck leaving you wondering.

p.s. spike a 4.

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2-3-4-6-7-9 (the field?)

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2-3-4-6-7-9 (the field?)

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now add in some crap puns...

My interest is in turn plan when anything remotely scary to them peels off, T-5.

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I think raising the turn is pretty awesome.