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matrix 06-09-2007 02:10 PM

Shortstack flop minraises.
 
You are in LP and raise 2 broadway cards, shortstack (<50BB) calls from the Blinds and the flop is HU we flop TPGK.

checked to you - we lead for ~pot - shorty min-raises.

How often is this minraise the nuts? Is it worth pushing OTT? or is this very player dependant?

willw9 06-09-2007 02:11 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
This question is way too general to be answered.

keikiwai 06-09-2007 02:14 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
it is almost NEVER the nuts

here is the most recent minr from a short stack vs. me:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $229.45
BB: $45.00
UTG: $368.20
<font color="black">keikiwai (CO): $200.00</font>
BTN: $123.05

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> keikiwai is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">keikiwai raises to $8.00</font>, BTN calls $8.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($19) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">keikiwai bets $16.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $32.00</font>, keikiwai calls $16.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($83) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $22.00</font>, keikiwai calls $22.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($127) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $61.05</font>, keikiwai calls $61.05

Pot Size: $249.10 ($2 Rake)

BTN had T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$123.05)
keikiwai had J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON (+$124.05)

Jay Riall 06-09-2007 02:18 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
I pretty much always call or shove if the guy is short enough.

matrix 06-09-2007 02:21 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
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This question is way too general to be answered.

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OK then.

villain is unknown - assuming av ss donk.

Is this standard?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $59.81
BB: $83.95
UTG: $184.14
MP: $125.85
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $122.70</font>
BTN: $39.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $40.00</font>,

willw9 06-09-2007 02:24 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
Meh I probably just fold flop tbh. If the board was T 8 2 with 2 hearts, I raise(/shove) all day.

Jay Riall 06-09-2007 02:26 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
I think that is pretty hurrendous. I would fold or maybe see a turn.

keikiwai 06-09-2007 02:26 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
[ QUOTE ]
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This question is way too general to be answered.

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OK then.

villain is unknown - assuming av ss donk.

Is this standard?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $59.81
BB: $83.95
UTG: $184.14
MP: $125.85
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $122.70</font>
BTN: $39.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($7.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $40.00</font>,

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looks good to me, it's probably close, but it gives a good image at the table for sure

mudbuddha 06-09-2007 02:26 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
depends on why hes short stacked

bc he was blinding off or was it because he was involved in too many hands

this will help u decide

keikiwai 06-09-2007 02:29 PM

Re: Shortstack flop minraises.
 
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depends on why hes short stacked

bc he was blinding off or was it because he was involved in too many hands

this will help u decide

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i find most short stackers usually buy in short


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