2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

hey all,

I thought I was getting value and then this happened. Looks like I am getting 4:1 on the river, but is he ever bluffing here?


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($213.35)
CO ($449.30)
Button ($210)
SB ($115.20)
BB ($262.95)
Hero ($200.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $7, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($33) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25.

River: ($83) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $73</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $146</font>, Hero

Final Pot: $302

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts.

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

well obv i wasnt worried until the minraise

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

This is a bluff like never...

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

Bet less on the river, you will get called lighter.

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

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standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts.

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Easy fold, I think. You think he calls the flop without the Ace, then calls the turn without the ace just to bluff the river?

4:1 isn't very good odds when your opponent has the Ace 90% of the time, and is an idiot 10% of the time.

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

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standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts.

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this advice is pretty bad.
River is a clear fold no one bluff raises 4 flush boards. C/C river isnt so great because all better hands will bet while all worse hand will check, besides the occasional diamondless bluff.
I would bet less on the river, like half pottish, to entice a call from any diamond, maybe even 2 pair. People love to call.

(esp me)

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

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standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts.

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this advice is pretty bad.
River is a clear fold no one bluff raises 4 flush boards. C/C river isnt so great because all better hands will bet while all worse hand will check, besides the occasional diamondless bluff.
I would bet less on the river, like half pottish, to entice a call from any diamond, maybe even 2 pair. People love to call.

(esp me)

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Thank you.

I was betting as much as I thought the Jd would call. I dont think theres anyway hes bluffing enough for me to call.

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

Why dont you bet the flop?

Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
 

I felt a check was fine because worse hands fold, but may bluff. Better hands call or raise. I am OOP and slightly uncomfortable building a big pot. Not too much of the deck will hurt my equity.