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donkraft 11-09-2007 06:34 PM

11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
I have been thinking about how to play AK lately.

In many sngIcon videos, they limp a lot with AK in early levels, but I have not yet implemented this in my game. I have to admit, I'm not completely convinced I like it.

I'd like to get some opinions on these lines with AK:


1.

No reads yet on players in hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 (t1900)
MP2 (t2010)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 (t3420)</font>
CO (t1450)
Button (t1680)
SB (t1880)
BB (t4140)
Hero (t1940)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t1580)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t240</font>, UTG+1 calls t240, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t240, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t210, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t1020) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t420</font>, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls t420.



2.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t4450)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1850)</font>
MP2 (t650)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t5990)</font>
Button (t1030)
SB (t1940)
BB (t2240)
UTG (t1850)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t300, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t200.

Flop: (t950) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t666</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1332</font>, BB folds, Hero calls [t884] t666, CO calls t218.

Final Pot: t3166



3.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 (t1790)
MP2 (t1100)
MP3 (t2000)
CO (t5420)
Button (t1630)
SB (t930) Loose early, but winning player
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2060)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG (t3200)</font> (21/14/2 over 14 hands)
UTG+1 (t1870)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls t250, Hero calls [t1960] t100, UTG calls t1760, SB folds.

Final Pot: t2460

_Towelie_ 11-09-2007 07:40 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
1. UTG I limp for pot control, and in LP I open for T180. As played flop is fine tho some may suggest shoving w/ flush draw + 2 overs.

2. I open for t250, but 300 is fine. Flop is nh.

3. I think there's something wrong with the converted hand, but if you shoved pre then nh.

vers 11-09-2007 08:11 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
2+3 are fine but 1 OMG I can't believe you c/f on a great flop....

flopton 11-09-2007 08:32 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
I think the main reason they limp AK and AQ is to keep the worse aces in the hand, that will often go broke postflop with top pair (Axs, AT+) at the low limits.

I think they also limp, then reraise all in with AK at the low limits. This probably wins the pot uncontested enough and wins flips, to make up for the times you're called by aces/kings.

Also they see slightly more flops than is usually advised by the forum, such as calling in MP with KQs, raising late position with JTs, and completing almost any SB. Players might let you limp more if you have a few limp-reraise hands in your game.

ger664 11-09-2007 08:39 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
I would never really limp AK unless I had a read that someone will raise behind allow me to shove Pre.

Hand 2 + 3 are standard if you got it in.

Hand 1 as played check for free card and shove over that raise.

MauMau 11-09-2007 08:49 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
hand 2+3 are fine imo - but you cant fold hand 1 with that good draw

donkraft 11-09-2007 10:31 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
Thanks for the help, guys. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The handconverter is a bit weird (ie an all in for 2000 is "hero calls for 2000"), but it is the only one, that I can get to work with my party handhistories, for some reason. I hope it does not confuse too much.

Another AK emerges...

4.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO (t5820)
Button (t1800)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2060)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB (t2830)</font>
UTG (t2000) 31/0/0.42 over 26 hands
MP1 (t2450)
MP2 (t3040)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls [t2060] t100, BB calls t1860, UTG folds.

Final Pot: t2360

Edit: Stats were wrong

vers 11-09-2007 10:33 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
4 is fine. std tag I doubt is limping utg here so your read on him is probably off.

donkraft 11-09-2007 10:39 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
I hate drawing for flushes... And I dont know if my overs are good (this is a 4-way pot). Had it been against one opponent, I would have c-bet (and pushed over raise) or c/r AI. But 4 way... I felt it was a bad spot.

But I'm listening, I'm here to learn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

donkraft 11-09-2007 10:43 PM

Re: 11$ speed: AK linecheck
 
[ QUOTE ]
4 is fine. std tag I doubt is limping utg here so your read on him is probably off.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're right, my note was on BB. Stats for UTG limper updated.


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