Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

So here I am playing at PokerStars at 2NLHE tables and boom! The all awaited pocket aces appear just below my name. I raise, someone reraises, someone goes all-in, I call with lightning speed and the other dude also calls. We all had about a 50-100BB stack. Anyways... yadee yadee yada, I come out as the victor. Yay. Now, my next hand right after my big win with my pocket beauties... to my surprise, I get pocket aces again! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

<u>PREFLOP</u> (9 people at a 9-max table 2NLHE)
1st calls (stack: $1.16)
2nd calls (stack: $3.73)
Hero raises $0.10 to $0.12 (stack: $4.53)
3rd calls raise (stack: $8.24)
4th calls raise (stack: $2.83)
two ppl fold
5th calls raise (stack: $2.83)
1st calls raise
2nd calls raise

<u>FLOP</u> (pot: $0.73)
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5th dude bets $2.71 and is all-in
1st dude calls $1.04 and is all-in (and the pot is now $4.48 with $2.71 to call)
2nd dude folds
Hero?
<font color="red">Should I call? Or grow big balls and fold? I honestly was brought to a fork in the road... I didn't know what to do. Do you have the balls to fold pocket aces here? Are the balls even necessary to have here?</font>

Results: To be continued...

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

pretty standard fold at the higher levels I would think, the only hands you beat are donks going crazy with top top or an overpair like 99, but it's far more likely I would feel I was drawing next to dead again'st a flopped straight, two pair, or trips, and even if I was ahead of both of them somehow they obviously would have had redraws like no other, I would fold.

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

easy fold

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

insta call

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

Fold. Even if you're up against just a flush draw and just a straight draw + small pair for example, you're in a breakeven spot.




Board: 7c 6c 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.773% 34.51% 00.26% 16830 126.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 34.551% 34.29% 00.26% 16722 126.00 { QcJc }
Hand 2: 30.676% 30.42% 00.26% 14832 126.00 { 97o }


You will also be dead against a set, or behind to two-pair a lot of the time.

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Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

oooh, majority so far, folds. I also think that would be the best bet, but I shall give my reasons a bit later.

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.773% 34.51% 00.26% 16830 126.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 34.551% 34.29% 00.26% 16722 126.00 { QcJc }
Hand 2: 30.676% 30.42% 00.26% 14832 126.00 { 97o }

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raze, I thank you for your post. It appears to be very insightful and educational. However, I'm afraid I don't understand those numbers. Could you (or anyone else) explain those numbers to me? How did you come up with those numbers? And also.. is it ideal to use those numbers while playing? Is it actually possible to come up with those numbers while at the table?

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

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the only hands you beat are donks going crazy with top top or an overpair like 99, but it's far more likely I would feel I was drawing next to dead again'st a flopped straight, two pair, or trips, and even if I was ahead of both of them somehow they obviously would have had redraws like no other, I would fold.

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I agree with your reasoning thrasher789

Re: Do you have the balls to fold AA?
 

He got those numbers by running your hand (AA) against other likely holdings of your opponents in situations like this by using a program called pokerstove, the first number I believe is the chance of that hand winning the pot (I think, I have never used the program before) and it shows that you are barely a favorite in this case if not already beaten or even drawing dead. Was this a real hand that you can sure the results of with us?