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Areola 11-15-2007 04:55 AM

Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
Which is the correct re-raise regarding the "double the raise" rule in no-limit (for this purpose, no-limit hold'em) games.

Blinds $50/$100

Initial raise is $250 (minimum re-raise is $400).

If the next player re-raises to $500 from the initial raise of $250, what's the minimum raise by the next player?

a) $750 ($250 + $500)
There's a raise of $250, which will be added to the
current bet of $500, making the total $750. This is the
way I understand the "double the raise" rule.

b) $900 ($400 + $500)
There's a re-evaluation of the raise from the big blind
of the $100 is $500-$100=$400. On top of the $500
re-raise would mean the next minimum re-raise is $900

frommagio 11-15-2007 05:18 AM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
a) $750 ($250 + $500)

Magicmanu 11-15-2007 10:43 AM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
The first raise was $150 (BB/$100 + $150 = $250). Therefore, the next raise must be $150 or more. If the next player raises to $750, he has made a raise of $500. In order to raise (ignoring for the moment a player with fewer chips going all in), the next player must raise by at least $500. The total bet therefore would be at least $1250.

EWillers 11-15-2007 11:06 AM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
The correct answer is "a". To my knowledge, this was universal in Vegas until recently.

For better or worse, Planet Hollywood has adopted a seemingly insane rule that states the raise must be double the previous bet.

So a player bets 100 on the flop and the next player raises to 250. A player wanting to raise the bet of 250 must make it a minimum of 500 (not 400).

Strange but true. (at least as of a couple months ago)

Areola 11-15-2007 02:25 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
[ QUOTE ]
The correct answer is "a". To my knowledge, this was universal in Vegas until recently.

For better or worse, Planet Hollywood has adopted a seemingly insane rule that states the raise must be double the previous bet.

So a player bets 100 on the flop and the next player raises to 250. A player wanting to raise the bet of 250 must make it a minimum of 500 (not 400).

Strange but true. (at least as of a couple months ago)

[/ QUOTE ]

From my understanding, there are two no-limit raise rules.
First one (what I thought to be more common) is "double the raise" rule and the second is "double the bet" rule.
Seems like Planet Hollywood adopted the "double the bet" rule.

I still think that a) is the correct answer but I've had b) suggested by a tournament director who does fairly large tournaments.

Magicmanu 11-15-2007 03:11 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
I play in alot of casinos in alot of states, and I've never run across a "double the bet" rule.

pfapfap 11-15-2007 04:05 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
I believe San Pablo has the nutty 'double the bet' rule. I've only played there a few times, and when I tried to quietly correct a dealer on a min-raise, I was told StFU, it's double the bet.

soulvamp 11-15-2007 04:09 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I believe San Pablo has the nutty 'double the bet' rule. I've only played there a few times, and when I tried to quietly correct a dealer on a min-raise, I was told StFU, it's double the bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same happened to me recently here in Florida, at the Isle. I didn't follow up to find out if it's the house rule or if the dealer was wrong.

RR 11-15-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I believe San Pablo has the nutty 'double the bet' rule. I've only played there a few times, and when I tried to quietly correct a dealer on a min-raise, I was told StFU, it's double the bet.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know a couple of places that use it. I have never worked with it, but someone whose opinion on these things I trust told me it is the better rule and I should consider switching.

Taso 11-15-2007 04:34 PM

Re: Question regarding the Double The Raise rule...
 
I've always been confused by this, but because I don't make min-raises ever, I've never really had to figure it out.

So lets say its a .25/.50 cash game, yeah? UTG raises to $1.00, a .50 raise. Can the next player raise it to $1.50? And if he does, for the next player, does this mean the current "raise" is $1.00, and so he has to make it $2.50 to go? Or can he make it $2.00?


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