300 BB deep PLO decision
 

Villain is solid. Winning regular.

I raise to $30 UTG w/ AA25 no suits. MP calls, Villain calls on the button, blinds call.

Flop

3-4-K rb

blinds check, I bet $100, villain calls, sb calls.

Turn

Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] makes a club flush draw possible

SB leads for $300, I call (?), villain raises to $1200 total, SB folds, $900 for me to call and we'd have about $1700 effective if i call.

My thoughts: i think the small blind led out with two pair. i think villain usually has A2xx clubs when he does this, with (xx) being one pair or contributing so some sort of straight draw.

My questions: if you call, how do you handle a board pairing card? assume it isn't the king.

If you call and make a wheel, do you check or bet?


If you fold, why?


-Tex

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

live? in tunica or at winn or what?
so 900 into 1700...with 21 outs for at least half, assuming no blockers...12 outs for lock or near-lock both ways, 9 for half...what is the bb? $10? $5? I know you said 300 bb but how much do you have left behind?

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

Is this PLO or PLO8? Your reference to villain holding A2 confuses me.

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

I think folding is EXTREMELY weak here given your read...My question is, is the opponent tricky enough to play KK like this with that kinda flop (not wanting to get heavily involved on a board like that until he sees a turn)...I think you are just giving up way too much by folding this hand...

As far as leading or checking goes...I would probably say that checking on a 5 is the line and betting on a 2/6 is the line...I don't like checking on a 2/6 because if your opponent is solid he'll probably just use that check to check back at you (based on what you said your read of the opponent was: a solid player, tricky wasn't mentioned)...

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

If I got it right the situation is as follows.

potsize: 2220

your stack: 2600

his stack: 1700

You have 900 to call and put villain on a hand range that makes you approximately a 1:2 dog.

At first sight one might think it's an easy call but you often can get outplayed on the river, i.e. when the board pairs or all the draws miss and your aces are still good. You're out of position against a player you seem to respect and who probably knows this. He also has reason to put you on two aces. Hence I think a fold is at least as reasonable as a call.

One could also consider a raise, expecting villain to put both players all in. In that case you pay 2600 to win 3920, can't get outplayed but are clearly taking the worst of it. Had you potted the flop and villain then had reraised pot your stack would be small enough to raise again. But that is result oriented thinking. The flop call was fine IMO.

But that's only me. Maybe another one of the better players will find time to comment on this interesting situation.

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

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Is this PLO or PLO8? Your reference to villain holding A2 confuses me.

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plo8.

and if i call the raise we've got $1700 left to win from the villain.

Re: 300 BB deep PLO decision
 

It's a pretty clear call. If I've got the action right the pot is 2250 on the turn and it's 900 for you to call. Even if you're very conservative with counting scooping/quarterin outs, you've still got eight of them.

I don't know what I'd do with a board pair without knowing a little about him.

What's your plan for an offsuit 7 or 8? Lead or check call?