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mutigers5591 07-16-2007 11:44 PM

24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
PokerStars Game #10979768607: Tournament #55433543, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/07/16 - 23:22:22 (ET)
Table '55433543 45' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WaiMan23 (21198 in chips)
Seat 2: bigegypt (128975 in chips)
Seat 3: PersianSultn (104096 in chips)
Seat 4: juvelino (250455 in chips)
Seat 5: mutigers5591 (134867 in chips)
Seat 6: moacire (82404 in chips)
Seat 8: Verito (38493 in chips)
Seat 9: SayNguyen (40012 in chips)
WaiMan23: posts the ante 400
bigegypt: posts the ante 400
PersianSultn: posts the ante 400
juvelino: posts the ante 400
mutigers5591: posts the ante 400
moacire: posts the ante 400
Verito: posts the ante 400
SayNguyen: posts the ante 400
PersianSultn: posts small blind 2000
juvelino: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mutigers5591 [Ah Qh]
mutigers5591: raises 8000 to 12000
moacire: folds
Verito: folds
SayNguyen: folds
WaiMan23: folds
bigegypt: folds
PersianSultn: folds
juvelino: calls 8000
*** FLOP *** [5h 2s Qd]
juvelino: checks
mutigers5591: bets 20000
juvelino: calls 20000
*** TURN *** [5h 2s Qd] [Td]
juvelino: bets 108000
mutigers5591:


am i ever good here on this board...i have a nice stack only reads on villain are that i saw one hadn where he just called a donks 3x bb riase preflop with qq then shortie pushed and he obv called......he also showed down like kk i think so he seemed solid

am i ever good here....or is it too close to call and i should fold since i would still have a good stack

comments on all streets are welcome i bet flop pretty hard cuz i thought it made my hand look weaker then it was and he would go over the top with something like qj, kq or something..or just underestimate my hand and maybe stick aroudn with a mid pp or something..and if i took down pot i was fine i guess pretty ragged flop

illini43 07-16-2007 11:52 PM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
Folding because you will still have a good stack isn't a good enough reason to fold.

Flop is standard. I think I call the bet (puts you AI). If you have been c-betting frequently, he might think you just took a shot at the pot and is trying to take it down on the turn.

He is in the BB with a larger stack, so he has a relatively wide range here. I think you are probably ahead of his range here, so I would call.

mutigers5591 07-16-2007 11:54 PM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
well i had been c/betting alot....i always do idk if he was good enuff to note that or not..or if he was good neuff to just call flop planning to push river hence my dilemena

Dan87 07-17-2007 12:29 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
call this all day long

no hand that beats you plays it like this instead of going for C/R. If villain has a history of overpushing his made hands then maybe you could find a fold and wait for a better spot

ZJ123 07-17-2007 02:31 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
callcallcallcallcall

8Adam8 07-17-2007 02:55 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
snapcall

kenny7 07-17-2007 03:07 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
This has to be a call right? I just don't think that there is anywhere near enough information out there for you to lay this one down. Wish I could say fold because he has 55 or QT,but nope,I'm not going anywhere.

LooseCaller 07-17-2007 05:46 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
i was in this tournament as well and if the final table was any indication, juvelino was very very very very far from solid. one example. the hijack shoved for 68k at 4/8 and he called in the sb with K9o. he pretty much played anything remotely playable as fast as possible. and he defended his blind very often.

that said, he didnt donkbet strong very often at all. the only time i saw him do it was when he coldcalled a raise in the sb with AJ and donkbet shoved for 2x pot on an AQx board.

so basically, long story short, it's a call and id expect him to show up with a worse Q most of the time.

sah_24 07-17-2007 07:25 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
i think ur ahead of his range here so id insta call this in a hurry and b expecting to see a worse queen. I just dont think u can fold here wit the money in the pot vs and aggressive bigger stack just feels like he is tryin to push u off ur hand on the turn. I think he would b betn for value wit hands that beat u not shovin and scarin queens away. Pretty sure ur ahead here

Dunkman 07-17-2007 11:36 AM

Re: 24 left in 11 1 rebuy 1 addon..tptk with a pretty deep stack
 
You have a really good hand...why would he put you AI with like a set or w/e. Also you're not deep at all, and I really don't see how you can get away from TPTK on a safe board like this when you started the hand with 34 BBs. I agree with the snapcall, I wouldn't even think about it.


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