100NL AK KT9 Facing donkbet
 

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SB: $20.88
BB: $48.00
UTG: $105.54
MP: $48.23
Hero (CO): $131.90
BTN: $87.43

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $8.00, MP folds

Flop: ($23.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $18.00</font>, Hero ?

Hi there, I have been reading the forums for a while and I decided it is time to start posting some [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I figured the best way to introduce myselve is posting a hand, it is probably a standard situation but those donkbets really confuse me.

What would you guys do here? If we raise we aint folding anymore right?
And if we call what do we do on the turn when checked to or bet to?

Villain is 35/12 but only over 30 hands or something...

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It's difficult to put him on a decent straight draw as he would have to have raised something like J8 or 87 UTG, same goes for the made straight (QJ).

The preflop action suggests that he has either AK or a pocket pair with a little AQ/AJ/KQ mixed in.
Of these hands you're crushed by the sets and AA, and way ahead of the rest.

I would call and reevaluate turn. If he is donking the flop with a hand you're ahead of, I doubt that he will fire again.

Re: 100NL AK KT9 Facing donkbet
 

call &amp; get it in on a safe turn. dont raise the flop.

Re: 100NL AK KT9 Facing donkbet
 

call and re-evaluate, he could also do this w/ jj/qq

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calling and waiting for a safe turn is giving him a free card. worst case he has QJ. if a 2 hits, we are likely to bet/raise if we assumed we are ahead.

if any scarecard (Q,J,T,9) hits we would fold?

i cant see this to be right. i would raise on the flop.

a raise will determine if he really has a hand or if he has a draw, or if he tried to bluff us off the hand.

a call would give him a free card, on a scary board like this that cant be good for us

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Calling down is standard if the board is low on turn and river. Raising is bad because it likely folds out only worse hands, though I can't say for certain that a pair and a straight draw fold here 100% of the time.

Re: 100NL AK KT9 Facing donkbet
 

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a raise will determine if he really has a hand or if he has a draw, or if he tried to bluff us off the hand.

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raise and were pot committed + he only calls/shoves w/ better hands.

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a call would give him a free card, on a scary board like this that cant be good for us

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i would say the only scare cards are Q and J (as KQ/KJ are likely holdings)
i wouldnt say that a T or 9 coming on the turn would be a scare card (does he really donk pot w/ AT/JT?) the only hands that T &amp; 9 would help would be hands that already have us beat.

i think by calling and underrepping our hand, we get value on later streets out of a lot of hands that we beat. whereas a raise on the flop will allow him to get away from hands we beat, and build a pot w/ hands that beat us.

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calling and waiting for a safe turn is giving him a free card. worst case he has QJ. if a 2 hits, we are likely to bet/raise if we assumed we are ahead.

if any scarecard (Q,J,T,9) hits we would fold?

i cant see this to be right. i would raise on the flop.

a raise will determine if he really has a hand or if he has a draw, or if he tried to bluff us off the hand.


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Raising here is bad.
If we're behind we're just burning money with a raise and if we're ahead, we're missing out on future bluffs.

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a call would give him a free card, on a scary board like this that cant be good for us

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Any draw he could have would be drawing to 6 to 2 outs, perhaps 4 on average. Checking and giving a free card is not a big mistake.