2-7 KC lowball tips?
 

I've been invited to play in a 2-7 Kansas City Lowball tourney. After that ends we'll be playing it in a ring game and we'll probably keep it as part of our regular home game rotation.

I've played some triple draw but am by no means an expert or even an intermediate player. My best games are NLHE, PLO and Stud8. What tips do you have for playing KC in both a tourney and ring format? I should mention that these will be NL. Are there any articles you can recommend? I looked in the FAQ for this section and didn't find any articles/links specific to this game.

TIA

RS

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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Yikes. OK, does anyone here play it and would be willing to give some tips?

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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Yikes. OK, does anyone here play it and would be willing to give some tips?

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my tip is literally read SS. Everything you need to know is there combined with your knowledge of NL hold'em and Theory of Poker.

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*sigh*

I miss the weekly GamesGrid KCL tournament.

IMO the SS1 chapter may be a bit too tight for tournament play and doesn't give a lot of specific advice. You will need to make adjustments for shorter stacks. Rougher 9's, draws to a 9, and pat T's become playable. It may also depend on what the ante size is.

How your opponents play matters a great deal. It is hard to get a hand you feel good about, so against some players you can profitably raise any five cards on the button. Other players will happily call a big raise and draw two. (They will either go broke quickly or put the entire table on tilt.)

Study up on your game theory for post-draw bluffing/bluff-catching. And remember the Gap Concept; you really have to have a quality hand to be the third person into a pot.

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*sigh*

I miss the weekly GamesGrid KCL tournament.

IMO the SS1 chapter may be a bit too tight for tournament play and doesn't give a lot of specific advice. You will need to make adjustments for shorter stacks. Rougher 9's, draws to a 9, and pat T's become playable. It may also depend on what the ante size is.

How your opponents play matters a great deal. It is hard to get a hand you feel good about, so against some players you can profitably raise any five cards on the button. Other players will happily call a big raise and draw two. (They will either go broke quickly or put the entire table on tilt.)

Study up on your game theory for post-draw bluffing/bluff-catching. And remember the Gap Concept; you really have to have a quality hand to be the third person into a pot.

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Most of the people playing this tourney will have very little or no experience with 2-7 although quite a few are experienced O8 players so they may believe they can apply some of the same concepts. Would you recommend I play the early rounds very tight in early position but be willing to make big bluffs in late position? What about the optimal times to bet? Is the idea to keep the pot small before the draw? Also, when we get later in the tourney I'll need to open up my play. Are there any guidelines for trying to pick off small stacks in this game? Just push them preflop with pat J maybe? Or is that too tight even? I don't have the blind/ante structure yet and I expect we'll get about 24 players - so 8 per table.

Also, since it's a one draw game should I be on the lookout for people who draw 3 or more cards and pick them off with a bluff? I have a feeling I'm going to see quite a bit of 3+ draws at the event.

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If there are a lot of people drawing 3, you don't need our help. Drawing 3 is really terrible. If for some reason you get caught drawing 3, just snow.

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If there are a lot of people drawing 3, you don't need our help. Drawing 3 is really terrible. If for some reason you get caught drawing 3, just snow.

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Something tells me if I tried to snow in this game I'd still get called by a pat K. LOL. But we'll see. I need to get a feel for the competition first.

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*sigh*

I miss the weekly GamesGrid KCL tournament.

IMO the SS1 chapter may be a bit too tight for tournament play and doesn't give a lot of specific advice. You will need to make adjustments for shorter stacks. Rougher 9's, draws to a 9, and pat T's become playable. It may also depend on what the ante size is.

How your opponents play matters a great deal. It is hard to get a hand you feel good about, so against some players you can profitably raise any five cards on the button. Other players will happily call a big raise and draw two. (They will either go broke quickly or put the entire table on tilt.)

Study up on your game theory for post-draw bluffing/bluff-catching. And remember the Gap Concept; you really have to have a quality hand to be the third person into a pot.

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Is there any site, play money or real money that has KCL? I'd love to have a OPG tourney.

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OK, so I finally found my old copy of SS and read the lowball section. Wasn't much help and nothing at all about tourney play.

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Watch the ESPN WSOP 04 coverage of this?

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Watch the ESPN WSOP 04 coverage of this?

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Entertaining but not necessary enlightening. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You can read descriptions of all 15 broadcast hands here:

http://wiki.lowballgurus.com/article...Hand_Histories

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Watch the ESPN WSOP 04 coverage of this?

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Entertaining but not necessary enlightening. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You can read descriptions of all 15 broadcast hands here:

http://wiki.lowballgurus.com/article...Hand_Histories

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It was interesting but like you wrote, not necessarily enlightening. :-)

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2-7 game in SoCal area!?!?! Willing to PM me with info? I LOVE KC Lowball, and used to play it with friends regularly. Funny thing is we are all 19-21, and probably extremely rare people my age played that game regularly.

Anyways, IMHO, these are good tips:

Cash-

As with any game, later position means you can open up more. I feel you can draw to 10's, rougher 9's OTB, and stay pat with J's every so often.

MP smooth 9's and better are always playable, 2 card 7 low draws are ok for a limp, as long as no raise ahead. Cite gap concept here, and 4-card 7's are always playable for a raise, or even a shove if its to the nuts. I think this goes for any position IMO.

EP, 8's and smooth smooth 9's. Never draw to worse than a 9-7 low, and even that is iffy.

As always, if you opponents suck, you can loosen calling standards.

Tourney:

Play 7-low draws more aggressively, and be willing to gamble more with 2 card draws against small stacks, as long as its not a lot of your chips. Tend to stand pat in position more, esp. when opponent is AI. You can rap pat with a Q-low w/ pos. against very small shorty, and J-low is small favorite against 1-card draw. Be willing to gamble a little more here, as you won't get many playable hands as much as you would in other games.

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check your PM.

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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It is also found in PL & NL Poker by Ciaffone and Reuben.

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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It is also found in PL & NL Poker by Ciaffone and Reuben.

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Yes, although the chapter focuses on A-5 and has like 1/3 of a page on "adjusting to 2-7".

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Super System is the only source of KC lowball information that I have ever found. Its not even covered in The Education Of A Poker Player by Herbert Yardley, its rare to find info.

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It is also found in PL & NL Poker by Ciaffone and Reuben.

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Yes, although the chapter focuses on A-5 and has like 1/3 of a page on "adjusting to 2-7".

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If there are a lot of people drawing 3, you don't need our help. Drawing 3 is really terrible. If for some reason you get caught drawing 3, just snow.

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Yeah dont draw 3

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If there are a lot of people drawing 3, you don't need our help. Drawing 3 is really terrible. If for some reason you get caught drawing 3, just snow.

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Yeah dont draw 3

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The only time I drew 3 was in the BB in a limped pot. And I ended up hitting it one time. That was fun.