tricky spot against DerekJC
 

If ur responding to this u have prob played with me and derekJC (UTG) before. we both run 22/18ish and play tag with occasional bouts of craziness. i rarely play tricky vs him so i decided to try to tease out a squeeze. ryanbluff is in BB running 32/12/ with a low AF though i dont put much stock in these #s.

hu i shove turn for value all day obv, but set is in ryans range as well as a 5 but not enough to make
folding turn correct. fwiw derek tanked before betting turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($971)
SB ($990)
BB ($2108)
UTG ($1015)
Hero ($2184.25)
CO ($432)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $70</font>, Hero calls $70, BB calls $70.

Turn: ($305) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $230</font>, Hero calls $230, BB folds.

River: ($765) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $685 (All-In)</font>,

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

i would make it 274 on the flop and call a push, i HATE shoving out the guy behind but it's the [censored] ideal flop for you to get it in on

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

I think it's fine since he's probably putting you on a hand like 88/99 or even worse, and will often value stack himself on the river. AS played, I'd call river but wouldn't be terribly happy about it, but he can definitely be bluffing or shoving for value with worse IMO.

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

also, he's probably very rarely double barreling the turn, and the river isn't a blank since there are Ax hands that are spades that are viable, but since he's rarely betting air on the turn, figure out what range you're ahead of on the river that he's value betting. i'm pretty sure he'd value shove two jacks here, is what i'm getting at.

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

I would almost always re raise preflop, which im guessing is yur standard play. flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot. River is a sick spot but it wouldnt have gotten to this point if u have played the other streets differently

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oh yea he insta insta shoved river- so i think Ax spades is less likely (anyone disagree?)

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also i dont think he raises a hell of a lot of Ax combos UTG

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i think him leading the turn with Ax spades is less likely

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Imo river is a fold. Looks mostly like a boat.

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

What do you think about a turn raise?

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Id rather just call turn and fold river.

I doubt hes gonna call with worse to a turn raise. MAYBE QQ or JJ depending on history.

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my dilemma was that BB defines his hand 100% on turn. if i shove turn, sure derek may call with the same range of hands we get value from on most rivers- 88+ essentially. however we now get to value stack ourselves against BBs range of gutshots, 5x, 7x, Fds, sets etc etc

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flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot.

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flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot.

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didnt someone say we wanna play for max ev not max ease...

o wait... every good player ever...

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flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot.

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didnt someone say we wanna play for max ev not max ease...

o wait... every good player ever...

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dunno if it was clear but i was commenting on how bad raise-folding the flop "for information" was

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

give him a chance, he won the million.

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flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot.

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didnt someone say we wanna play for max ev not max ease...

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dunno if it was clear but i was commenting on how bad raise-folding the flop "for information" was

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agreed

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I would almost always re raise preflop, which im guessing is yur standard play. flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot. River is a sick spot but it wouldnt have gotten to this point if u have played the other streets differently

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Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

I think you played this hand really well all the way, and now you should fold

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why don't you like a flop raise? not like bb is a mega donk or anything in all likliness.

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I would almost always re raise preflop, which im guessing is yur standard play. flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot. River is a sick spot but it wouldnt have gotten to this point if u have played the other streets differently

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seriously this guys account has to be a joke right . ive restrained from replying to his previous posts but this is just too much , every single one is so retarded its painful to read

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

i think you should call cuz derek never has anything ever

for real

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

against a good, pretty tight, player i don't really like mixing it up preflop here. i'm basically always repopping his UTG opens with and only with AA/KK/AK/a fair amount of bluffs.

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I would almost always re raise preflop, which im guessing is yur standard play. flop also i think u have to reaise fold here and try to get some information in a multiway pot. River is a sick spot but it wouldnt have gotten to this point if u have played the other streets differently

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seriously this guys account has to be a joke right . ive restrained from replying to his previous posts but this is just too much , every single one is so retarded its painful to read

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umm have you won the million?

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river I would fold (you can so easily have a huge hand here) and I hate raising the turn

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

bump bc i like when actionjackson gets owned

Re: tricky spot against DerekJC
 

Jones do you really think shoving jacks in villain's spot is good? Personally I'm not sure whether shoving rivered aces is good.