Top set - when to stop raising?
 

No read on villain.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Villain calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Villain calls, Button folds.

Turn: (4.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, Hero ?????

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

calls. standard

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

I guess we're putting him on a made straight on the turn, rather than TT, AT or a lower set (99, 77) or some other two pair. It seems like hands we beat make up a larger part of his potential range here. Plus a lot of online - and perhaps live players) will wait for the turn to raise with a flopped set and sometimes two pair.

If he doesn't cold call with J8 or 86 then don't we have to put him on something we beat (and think he's putting us on top pair) and 3B the river.

I think three town the river.

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

My thinking was this, he cold called with with 6 players behind him. I can't put him on J8s or 86s. I can only put him on two high cards or any PP with a very outside chance of a hand like 98s. Now if he was in late position and the pot was looking to be multi-way, then that is certainly in many players ranges.

Of course this is logical thought and thankfully many players at this level don't have that ability.

BO

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

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I guess we're putting him on a made straight on the turn, rather than TT, AT or a lower set (99, 77) or some other two pair. It seems like hands we beat make up a larger part of his potential range here. Plus a lot of online - and perhaps live players) will wait for the turn to raise with a flopped set and sometimes two pair.

If he doesn't cold call with J8 or 86 then don't we have to put him on something we beat (and think he's putting us on top pair) and 3B the river.

I think three town the river.

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villain capped turn and then hero led into him on the river. he's still raising. I think this is the nuts way more often than a set. lol at two pair here, too.

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

FWIW, here is another hand from the same session that gives an idea of what other players will pump with.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button :Villain raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button :Villain calls.

Flop: (16 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Villain calls.

River: (18 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Results below:
Villain has 9s Jc (two pair, jacks and nines).
Hero has Ks Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 26 BB.

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

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Villain capped turn and then hero led into him on the river. he's still raising. I think this is the nuts way more often than a set. lol at two pair here, too.

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I'm reraising the river, calling a cap, and expecting to be shown TT/AT or a slowplayed 99/77/A9/A7 well more than 50% of the time. If villain coldcalled PF w/86 or J8, then good for him.

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Villain capped turn and then hero led into him on the river. he's still raising. I think this is the nuts way more often than a set. lol at two pair here, too.

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I'm reraising the river, calling a cap, and expecting to be shown TT/AT or a slowplayed 99/77/A9/A7 well more than 50% of the time. If villain coldcalled PF w/86 or J8, then good for him.

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note to self: not good enough to comment on online play

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

I jam the pot here everytime

Re: Top set - when to stop raising?
 

I suffer with M.U.B.S at the best of times, but even I am 3 towning this river.