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yoshi86 11-20-2007 03:12 PM

3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
villain is 17/15/4. I think flop and turn is standard. what about river?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($1626.25)
CO ($588)
Hero ($671.55)
SB ($1140.05)
BB ($498.10)
UTG ($618)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $36</font>, CO calls $36, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $120</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP folds, CO calls $84.

Flop: ($279) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($279) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($279) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $186</font>, Hero calls $186.

Final Pot: $651

van_exel_fan 11-20-2007 03:25 PM

Re: 3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
He could have waiting w/ ak or rivered 999 but I am assuming you tanked a bit before making this call, right?

Marwan 11-20-2007 03:33 PM

Re: 3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
I would look him up, this is pretty weird.. I'd think a nit with those stats and AF would start betting better hands on the turn.. He's very unlikely to have a K with how the PF action went down.. his line preflop is also pretty weird, cold calling a raise and then calling your re-raise... my best guess would be some suited connector or mid pair that called initial raise PF and then decided he had "odds" to set-mine/try to flop big b/c you 3-bet relatively small (&lt;pot-size at least)

if we assume he 3-bets AK/JJ/KK PF and folds baby pairs (or at least bets a set before the river), then all you're really behind is a rivered set with the 99.

coldi 11-20-2007 03:46 PM

Re: 3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
Your 3bet preflop is way to small, i would raise to 150.

I would bet the flop as well because he can have TT, JJ and
some other hands that i do not want to give a free card here.

As played i cb on the turn and probably fold the river since
he might have played JJ or 99 and maybe AK or KQ the same way and his bet looks really much like a valuebet

edit: would you mind sending me the results via pm? thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

whorasaurus 11-20-2007 03:52 PM

Re: 3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
i like

w_alloy 11-21-2007 12:54 AM

Re: 3/6NL: QQ, not sure where I am on the river
 
I usually cbet this flop but it can go either way and it is more of a style thing.

If I didn't bet the flop, I would usually bet 2/3 pot or similar on turn for value. You need to bet at least one street of value imo, and I think the flop or turn are better choices than the river because of free cards and you are more likely to bluff earlier.

As played, I think river is a clear call.


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