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STARSCREAM. 10-30-2007 12:21 PM

Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
Villian in the hand has been playing rather aggressively, prior in the session this hand happened:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $49.25
SB: $49
Hero (BB): $50.25
UTG: $68.15
MP: $50
CO: $17.80

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.25</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75, UTG folds

Flop: ($5.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($13.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($13.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10

Results: $33.25 Pot ($1.65 Rake)
Hero showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens) and WON $31.60 (+$15.35 NET)
MP showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and LOST (-$16.25 NET)

Is he doing this often enough with a pair and a heart or just a heart to make this call profitable?

I have been playing my standard 18/16/3 and a lot more loose and aggressive in position.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $49.25
BTN: $58.85
Hero (SB): $67.30
BB: $45.85
UTG: $52.45

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($4) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $3</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $50.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $37.70

STARSCREAM. 10-30-2007 12:21 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
Btw, preflop was a misclick in hand 2, I swear.

Alex_Rules 10-30-2007 12:26 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
I'm definitely calling here with the read from before. The three dollar lead out could mean a lot of things, including a hand like Ah-7 or 8h-8. You've got too much value not to make this call.

Berky 10-30-2007 12:34 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
snap call and it's not even close

doppelganger 10-30-2007 12:44 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
Easy call. Even if you give him exactly the nut flush and ignore any possibility that he's drawing, you're getting odds for a call:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 3h Jh 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.444% 34.44% 00.00% 341 0.00 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 65.556% 65.56% 00.00% 649 0.00 { AhKh }


Getting $67.70:$37.70 = 1.80:1 = 35.7% breakeven equity. Ok, you're short by 1%, but you can't always assume he's got the made flush. This will be AhJ sometimes.

Tanky 10-30-2007 01:07 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
You cant fold this, simple as that, if we assume his range is wider than AhXh, which it must be (Ah7 AhJ, 77, 33) it becomes snap call fistpump time.

STARSCREAM. 10-30-2007 01:56 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
I did of course call, and he flipped AhQx. My hand held up as well, I was slightly hesitant to call and was curious if any of you found a fold there. Looks like my logic agreed with that of all of yours and was right as well.

Thanks for the input.

Aceium 10-30-2007 02:04 PM

Re: Top set, mon0tone board, aggressive villian, what to do?
 
This is an easy call. I'm happy to make this call against pretty much any villan, especially a very aggro one. You shouldn't be laying down top set even on this board. On the occasion that you're beat at this point you still have a good redraw.


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