Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

So I exchanged hands with another 2p2er and here is one he questioned.

Here are my reads:
SB is a nitty straightforward player who has been running good.
BB is a flop junky who felts very light, standard fish.

Thoughts on calling pre when there is a good chance I'm playing for 1500BB's?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $403.90
BB: $50.20
UTG: $48.25
Hero (CO): $53.70
BTN: $50.60

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $5.50</font>, BB calls $5, Hero calls $3.75

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

1500 BBs?!? Effective stack size for you is 106 BBs. It's gonna be a big pot on the flop and you will face big bets, so you have no implied odds to draw and the direct odds aren't good enough to try hitting a 2pair, straight or flush.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

I guess my problem here is that most of the time you're losing $4, and even when you hit you're usually going to be shoving a draw on the flop with 8-9 outs and not all that much FE that you have odds to shove but that isn't a favorite. I guess it depends on just how often BB is felting here, but at first glance it doesn't seem like it's going to be profitable.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

I have no problem with your line. You know the SB is a nit so his range should be pretty tight. If you hit the flop hard, or get a combo-draw, you have a great chance to double up. Have you been raising the blinds a lot. Maybe SB was just getting fed up with you? What's his fold SB to steal percentage? If it's low, and he's as nitty as you claim, then chances are he's got JJ+, AK. That's a pretty tight range. If you whiff on the flop, you can easily fold.

AC

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

I really dont think you are deep enough for this. Ya there is a chance you rake in a 300bb pot...but when you do win its more likely going to be 220bbs or so. I would prefer this if there was a chance you could win this pot without the flop hitting you in the face. But with BB in the pot you have to play fit or fold poker...and that usually means you are going to be ~40% after the flop.

I guess I am saying that I dont like it because you aren't going to be able to make a play at the pot, and when you do make a hand you will still be a dog the majority of the time and you still wont make enough money when you do hit. I haven't done the math but I can't see this being +EV due to the fit or fold line you need to take here.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

The main problem with this hand is that you don't seem to understand the concept of effective stacks (converter issues?). Even with BB coming along this call is a little thin, but I don't think you could say this is a big leak or anything.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

I'm going to disagree with everyone else and say I like the call. We have position and a muppet to give us odds.

We have about 3:1 pot odds and that is about the odds that we will flop 2pair or better (~6%), a combo draw (~7%), or a simple draw ~13%) according to goofyballer's classic post: SC post

Combo draws or better will be VERY profitable and we can probably hold our own with a simple draw on average. I'd say this is a pretty quick call given the conditions.

FWIW: I think AZ put in an extra "0" in the pot size expectation

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

AS a couple people mentioned you're not playing for 150bb's because you aren't that deep. I don't think you're deep enough to call here unless there is a good chance you can stack BB as well if you hit.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

[ QUOTE ]
AS a couple people mentioned you're not playing for 150bb's because you aren't that deep. I don't think you're deep enough to call here unless there is a good chance you can stack BB as well if you hit.

[/ QUOTE ]We are playing for a maximum of 200BBs. I interpreted 150BB as an estimated final number with villains dropping out some times (I actually think that's too high as an average estimate but whatever).

Obviously, and more importantly, I think we ARE deep enough for the other reasons I mentioned.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

you are playing for 100bbs, as others have said. effective stacks are not 1500bbs....

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

[ QUOTE ]
you are playing for 100bbs, as others have said. effective stacks are not 1500bbs....

[/ QUOTE ]A typo becomes a useless distraction. Effective stacks are 100BB and its 3-way...what about the hand?

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

Jouster I'm just confused where you get this number of a maximum of 200bb. Its 3 handed so the pot could grow to 300bb potentially.
I don't think calling is necessarily bad here, but it depends on reads imo. How often are you going to be able to get one of their stacks in if you hit?
I think you need have one of them commiting a stack like always when you hit a big enough hand to continue to call here.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

lol obv typo I know what a BB is guys...I'm just curious if theres a good chance I can rake in a roughly 150 BB pot by calling 7.5 BB's more in pozz is it a bad call? Good responses so far, keep em coming

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

I think the call is fine. Position, interesting hand, the right two opponents, pf 3bet is too small...

There's a reason why we tell people to 3bet larger when oop: so villain's can't call correctly with their raising range. SB's raise is light, and as an added bonus, BB comes along. Play poker.

Re: Calling a 3 bet in pozz - NL $50 6m
 

AZplaya, I've got two conflicting opinions on this...

1.) I say no, won't get enough out of them, when you do hit, because of the descriptions that you have of them. Ones a fish and will run, and the other is a straightforward nit. Any decent flop that hits you and not them (gotta figure them for broadway, so anything that helps you, doesn't inspire much confidence for them) will make them run. I think your implied odds here are rather small, which would make you 7.5BB's hard to recoup in the long run.

2.) The opposing opinion is what image do they have of you? I've seen you at the tables and you're capable of bluffing, so when a non-descript board hits and you wake up all the sudden, especially when you're last to act, I'm not sure I can give you credit all the time, and might just donk off more of my stack than I should (a personal specialty of mine, possibly even a superpower, but I digress), trying to make you prove it. If they have the same read on you, then your implied odds go way up because thats a sneaky hand.

If I have to choose between the 2 possibilities, I take #1 and say its not worth it, but definitely consider your table image here in making this call.