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juggernaut 11-14-2007 09:05 PM

200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
Villian is 13/6 over 130 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($47.90)
BB ($215.90)
UTG ($171.90)
UTG+1 ($282.70)
MP1 ($261.10)
MP2 ($200.35)
MP3 ($51.10)
Hero ($398.10)
Button ($215.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $9, MP2 calls $9.

Flop: ($36) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($76) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $46</font>, Hero .....

flow void 11-14-2007 09:15 PM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
looks like a standard set line.

Grinding2Ecstasy 11-14-2007 09:21 PM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
I wouldn't really call 13/6 a nit, and 130 hands isn't much, he could be as loose as a 17/12 or so and have those stats over 130 hands.

As for the hand, I don't understand flatting this flop, I raise flop to like 50 and fold to a shove. As played fold turn.

AllTheCheese 11-15-2007 12:23 AM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
Call again. If the board pairs (obv not King), call river. Also, clubs are like pseudo outs for our brain lol, because he prob stops betting if the flush gets there.

chopsticks 11-15-2007 12:52 AM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
Could be a set and villain protects his hand from free cards but there are other very likely hands too like AK or JcQc combo draw type of hand.

Imo flat call on the flop is definitely wrong way to play this against a villain like this. It wont give you any information on his hand and you have to make the same decision again on the turn. Raise to $50-$60 on the flop and fold to a push.

juggernaut 11-15-2007 07:42 PM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
Ok, thanks for the replies -- I'm a six max player still getting used to people's ranges at full ring. I folded turn, just didn't think he would show up with a king or combo draw very often here. Dunno though.....

Also, FWIW, I don't like raise-folding the flop -- an expensive way to 'find out where we stand' that we can do just as easily by flat-calling, with the added benefit of getting future action from hands that would fold to a raise.

effang 11-15-2007 07:53 PM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
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Call again. If the board pairs (obv not King), call river. Also, clubs are like pseudo outs for our brain lol, because he prob stops betting if the flush gets there.

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right, still doesn't mean your hand is good. just means your hand has some SD value. i raise this flop, 13/6, again, doesn't mean much. and 13/6 isn't even that nitty, just some reg stats who isn't agg enough PF. i raise this flop because of the 2 draws.

elliot 11-15-2007 09:11 PM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
raise flop

as played, fold turn.

AllTheCheese 11-16-2007 04:14 AM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
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i raise this flop, 13/6, again, doesn't mean much. and 13/6 isn't even that nitty, just some reg stats who isn't agg enough PF. i raise this flop because of the 2 draws.

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A 13/6 usually doesn't have a draw here, given the action thusfar. If he does, it's probably a combo draw and he'll be shoving over a raise. I don't think raising is good here.

bottomset 11-16-2007 04:19 AM

Re: 200NL what does this line mean from a nit?
 
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i raise this flop, 13/6, again, doesn't mean much. and 13/6 isn't even that nitty, just some reg stats who isn't agg enough PF. i raise this flop because of the 2 draws.

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A 13/6 usually doesn't have a draw here, given the action thusfar. If he does, it's probably a combo draw and he'll be shoving over a raise. I don't think raising is good here.

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um if you think he has a combo draw a bunch you obviously raise/snapcall


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